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Please join the Center for American Progress and AEI for a discussion marking the release of


“Dancing with the Devil: The Perils of Engaging Rogue Regimes,” a new book by Michael Rubin. In the book, Rubin argues that US diplomacy with countries such as Iran and North Korea and groups such as the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hezbollah has significant risks. The discussion will feature Charles Kupchan, author of the 2012 book “How Enemies Become Friends: The Sources of Stable Peace.” In his book, Kupchan argues that diplomatic engagement with adversaries is essential for enhancing global stability and order. The discussion is the continuation of a series of joint conversations between the Center for American Progress and AEI examining major national security issues in the coming years.


11:30 AM

12:00 PM

Charles Kupchan, Council on Foreign Relations
Michael Rubin, AEI

Brian Katulis, Center for American Progress

1:30 PM

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Brian Katulis is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, where he focuses on US national security policy in the Middle East and South Asia. Katulis has served as a consultant to numerous US government agencies, private corporations, and nongovernmental organizations on projects in more than two dozen countries, including Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, and Colombia. From 1995 to 1998, he lived and worked in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Egypt for the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs. In 1994 and 1995, he was a Fulbright scholar in Amman, Jordan, where he conducted research on the peace treaty between Israel and Jordan. Katulis has published articles in several newspapers and journals, including The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, The Boston Globe, The Baltimore Sun, and Middle East Policy. He is coauthor of “The Prosperity Agenda” (John Wiley & Sons, 2008), a book on US national security.

Charles Kupchan is professor of international affairs in Georgetown University’s Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service and government department and is the Whitney H. Shepardson Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. He was director of European affairs on the National Security Council (NSC) during the first Clinton administration. Before joining the NSC, he worked in the US Department of State Policy Planning Staff, and before that, he was an assistant professor of politics at Princeton University. He is the author of “No One’s World: The West, the Rising Rest, and the Coming Global Turn” (Oxford University Press, 2012), “How Enemies Become Friends: The Sources of Stable Peace” (Princeton University Press, 2010), “The End of the American Era: U.S. Foreign Policy and the Geopolitics of the Twenty-first Century” (Vintage, 2002), and “Power in Transition: The Peaceful Change of International Order” (United Nations University Press, 2001), among other books. He is also the author of numerous articles on international and strategic affairs.

Michael Rubin is a former Pentagon official whose major research area is the Middle East, with a special focus on Iran, Turkey, Arab politics, Afghanistan, and diplomacy. Rubin regularly instructs senior military officers deploying to the Middle East on regional politics and teaches classes on Iran, terrorism, and Arab politics on US aircraft carriers. Rubin has lived in Iran, Yemen, both pre- and post-war Iraq, and spent time with the Taliban before 9/11. Encounter Books will publish his newest book, “Dancing with the Devil: The Perils of Engaging Rogue Regimes,” in early 2014.

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