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  1. The GOP is dying because the people who are in control have lost touch with reality. As long as they talk about small government but keep spending like Democrats they will not have credibility with conservatives on the right. And as long as they ignore the civil liberties issues they will not have much credibility with the left. Insubstantial candidates like Paul Ryan or Chris Christie will not help matters much. They need now blood with new ideas and on that front Justin Amash and Rand Paul provide the best choice to spread libertarian ideas and grow support for the party.

    1. LibertarianJim

      I agree, Vangel. Continuing to be “Democrat Lite” is a path to oblivion. Give the voters a real choice or go home.

      1. The trouble is that people like Chris, AIG, and quite a few of the readers on this site have abandoned the Old Right conservative positions of low spending and non-interventionism. They have forgotten that Republican presidents used to be elected to end foreign wars and nation building as they fell under the spell of the neoconservatives who argued for perpetual meddling abroad as a way to distract the populace from trouble at home.

  2. LeftCoastObjectivist

    What does it mean to be “conservative” on gay marriage? On government spending? Schafly and Norquist would not give similar answers to these questions, for instance. I would not panic unless specific policy positions showed the same lopsided results.

  3. How about a different poll exploring where those of us on the right agree. I think there are large areas of agreement that get distorted by the media, and by current events that feature a particularly divisive question. There are Traditional Republicans (Establishment Republicans is this different?), Evangelical Republicans, Conservatives, Tea Party members, Libertarians, and RHINOs? Are there further divisions? I assume we don’t have to accept divisions of ethnicity, gender, class, national origin, and color. I assume we can leave that to the left. I forgot to include wealth, which played a large role in the last election.

    Liberals, of course, speak from talking points and seem to agree, while Republican divisions harm us in Congress, in elections (see the primaries in the last election), and in elections.

  4. chris whited

    the only “civil war” possibly going on, when one understands spectrums and differences of opinions is the war for power………elections, political apparatus’s.

    the dems have there own spectrum that they have to deal with, just no one in the liberal media talks about it. If people pointed this out then we could talk about the CIVIL WAR in the democratic party. See the dems hold a line on several issues…………..BUT there are way more items than merely “several issues”…..

    they’re just better coordinated than the republicans right now. That’s what this all amounts to. Of course there are the more activist members. I mean hell, what do folks think the left REALLY thinks about democrats?

    The main war going on right now is METHOD, PR, if you ask me. The more evangelical types just don’t have a clue on how to push anything. They speak in categorical forms which gives no way to maneuver. Mises pointed this out when he wrote about the problem of the christian church and the gosphels and LITERAL QUOTES.

    mises was right, and the left is using what he saw as a serious problem to their advantage. They want the argument both ways. harp about LUKE THIS AND LUKE THAT then slam laviticus……..(obama on camera doing that). It’s a mine field of parables that some of “right” have put us in. BARRY GOLDWATER pointed to the same problem.

    On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God’s name on one’s behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
    I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in “A,” “B,” “C” and “D.” Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
    And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of “conservatism.”

    Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)

    Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.
    Said in November 1994, as quoted in John Dean, Conservatives Without Conscience (2006)

    Yes I’m agnostic, yet have no problem with religious folks for the most part. I think most would agree that the ten commandments are a good thing. The problem is obvious.

  5. chris whited

    then on the left we have the “bringers of JUSTICE”……..

    NOT much compromise there either, especially when they tie it to material belongings. Here we are again with A B OR C OR GO TO “HELL”……..

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