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  1. Max Planck

    OK. We get it. Thanks.

  2. Citizen B.

    Very interesting and informative chart. Thanks.

  3. Jon Murphy

    America the Clean?

    1. America the poor.

  4. This country refuses to let facts or commonsense weigh in on the topic of fraccing. Besides, Hollywood and all the cool liberal kids say that fraccing is bad! Thus it has to be bad!

  5. Note that if you go combined cycle a gas turbine plant is 60% efficient in converting heat to electricity. The most modern coal plants with supercritical boilers might get to 42% in this measure. Of course this just continues the trend recall that the old steam engines were about 5 to 10% efficient, which is why Insull went to steam turbines, which in a subcritical plant get to around 33% efficiency.
    So the modern gas plant (not the old replace coal with gas under the boiler model) does much better at conversion of heat to electricity. In addition the gas turbine plants start up much faster. Many today are used as more peaking plants, recall that electricity usage varies by 50% or more depending on the time of day. (Of course this is a problem that has been around the the Pearl Street Station in the 1880s). Thus being able to significantly throttle the output is important.

    1. It’s interesting that technology has achieved this much at the same time Algore and crew were arguing over, and some foreign countries implementing, a carbon tax to achieve the same thing. I wonder, if our power companies had “invested” in a new tax instead of real solutions, what the chart would look like.

  6. Bob Wright

    On Friday, 01/04/13, the WSJ had an interesting commentary on the pending death of the Kyoto protocol.

  7. MacDaddyWatch

    The bridge to the future has finally arrived….but it may never reach Boulder, Colorado.

    The Liberal Luddites in the People’s Republic of Boulder are seriously considering soon exiting Xcel’s grid (their current electric utility) and replacing this power source with their own municipal power authority that relies on “renewable” energy.

    The wise lib-luddites in the People’s Republic place the entire cost of their proposed municipal utility at $223 million, in sharp contrast to Xcel consultant Utilipoint’s estimate at over $1.2 billion. The lib luddites also estimate the associated renewable costs at ZERO, while Xcel puts the cost at about $785 million. Apparently, Boulder has a secret supply of windmills and solar panels that will deliver the needed equipment and maintenance thereof at ZERO cost to the city. That’s $00.00 cost. How liberal of them !!

    Liberal luddite Heather Bailey, Boulder’s executive director of energy strategy and electric-utility development says “…the goal isn’t about creating a municipal utility, its about reducing emissions.” Boulder must also have its own private and secret source of oxygen.

    Just wait until the People’s Republic of Boulder is forced to initiate a light-switch surcharge of $1,000 per click as soon as the massive costs of this wacky misadventure visits Boulder like the predictable financial tsunami that it is. Boulder, in case you didn’t know, is a sleepy little college town of 50,000 hard-core liberals, socialists and greenies, including the non-taxpaying kids attending CU.

    I bet within 5-years of launching their “green solution,” this crowd of Boulder lib luddites will all be standing on the front lawn of the state capital and shaking their tin cups into the face of the then governor, screaming what libs always scream and begging for their bail out.

    1. MacDaddyWatch

      Not to mention the required billion dollar back-up power source because…


    2. MacDaddyWatch

      Is this what happens when marijuana is decriminalized? Perhaps I should temper my previously enthusiastic support.

      It should be obvious to anyone that the lib-luddites in the Peoples Republic of Boulder aren’t considering spending their *own* money on this unicorn farm – not with crazy numbers like THAT flying around.

      Gotta love this quote:

      “Liberal luddite Heather Bailey, Boulder’s executive director of energy strategy and electric-utility development says “…the goal isn’t about creating a municipal utility, its about reducing emissions.

      Well then just turn the damn thing off. That should do the trick.

    3. With all those brainiacs at the university, they must know more than we mere troglodytes. Maybe they’re counting on grants from the Chinese solar panel industry. Colleges thrive on grants, which can reduce any new scheme to zero cost.

  8. ‘Alarmingly High Methane Emissions’ from Natural Gas Extraction – New research on “alarmingly high methane emissions” brings further environmental scrutiny to natural gas extraction including fracking, and illustrates how the boom in the industry may well be a plan for climate disaster. The findings, led by researchers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), were presented at the American Geophysical Union (AGU) meeting in San Francisco, the journal Nature reports, and reiterated data the team first noted in February of 2012 that 4% of the methane produced at a field near Denver was escaping into the atmosphere. The team also presented preliminary findings from a Utah study that suggested an even higher rate of methane emissions—9% of the total production.

    1. NOAA Confirms High Methane Leakage Rate Up To 9% From Gas Fields, Gutting Climate Benefit – Researchers with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) have reconfirmed earlier findings of high rates of methane leakage from natural gas fields. If these findings are replicated elsewhere, they would utterly vitiate the climate benefit of natural gas, even when used to switch off coal. Indeed, if the previous findings — of 4% methane leakage over a Colorado gas field — were a bombshell, then the new measurements reported by the journal Nature are thermonuclear: … the research team reported new Colorado data that support the earlier work, as well as preliminary results from a field study in the Uinta Basin of Utah suggesting even higher rates of methane leakage — an eye-popping 9% of the total production. That figure is nearly double the cumulative loss rates estimated from industry data — which are already higher in Utah than in Colorado. The Uinta Basin is of particular interest because fracking has increased there over the past decade. How much methane leaks during the entire lifecycle of unconventional gas has emerged as a key question in the fracking debate. Natural gas is mostly methane (CH4). And methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas than (CO2), which is released when any hydrocarbon, like natural gas, is burned — 25 times more potent over a century and 72 to 100 times more potent over a 20-year period.

      1. MacDaddyWatch

        Methane is a very serious problem for life on earth as we know it. Imagine if every cow on the planet decided to fart all at once?


      2. MacDaddyWatch

        The NOAA is located in…


        I wonder if Nurse Ratchet is the mayor of this Cuckoo’s Nest?

        1. That explains a lot. Also, I just heard on NPR (I tune in occasionally to hear their daily global warming scare story) that a new oil pipeline in OK is causing earthquakes because of the weight of all that oil. Must be some strong welds on those pipes to withstand a direct hit from an earthquake.
          With 2.5 million miles of oil pipelines across the US, you’d expect us all to have felt at least one earthquake per day for the past few decades. When’s the last time you felt one?

    2. MacDaddyWatch


      Its run by very same green environuts and heatingphobes who run Boulder. Some are on the CU faculty.

      This arm of the Dept. of Commerce (I don’t get the intellectual connection between commerce and weather either) sports a $6 billion taxpayer funded budget. And for 6 billion taxpayer dollars, we get a very expensive weather report backed by several thermometers, barometers and a staff of highly biased left-wing zealots and their discredited political/climate agenda. That’s right–discredited.

      A few decades ago, this very same crowd of irresponsible zealots gave the world “THE COMING ICE AGE.” More recently, this bunch travels with the data-doctoring crowd infamously associated with Penn State and East Anglia universities.

  9. Joe inb Oly

    Man made global warming is “new religion” just like socialism and fascism. Believers have to disregard history and good science to bolster their beliefs.
    Water vapor is the most abundant and most effectual “greenhouse gas”; it is so abundant and stores so much energy that it alone regulates earth’s temperature. Imagine what Venus and Mars would now be if they had been blessed with 70% surface coverage by water like earth.

  10. Who cares about CO2 “emissions”? Global warming is bunk.

  11. Global warming is not bunk. Its real and started about 10,000 years ago at the end of the ice age. Man made global warming however is bunk. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been falling for 400 million years…from 40,000 ppm to today’s 380 ppm. Currently 98% of the carbon dioxide is disolved in the ocean and only 2% is left in the atmosphere to support all green life on earth.

    1. What an opportunity for carbon swap credits! If a company could find an economical way to remove CO2 from the ocean, then it could sell the CO2, and the credits, to the carbonated water folks. Double profit! I wonder if I can get Algore to invest in this venture.

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