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  1. Seattle Sam

    Because Minimum Wage polls better among those with little economic education.

  2. Todd Mason

    Because wage subsidies have had limited appeal in the few places they have been used and, one guesses, employers in Canada and Finland are more favorably disposed to “gummint” than ours. (Trust me. I am from the government and I’ll help pay for this employee forever.)

  3. At least everyone can agree that Obama is really admirable for instituting policies that don’t solve his stated problems.

    You need a Harvard education to do that.

  4. I think we need more executive orders, regulatory mandates, and czars… especially czars.

    1. I totally agree. More czars are needed because it jives so well with Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution.

      It’s always for a noble cause.

  5. Todd Mason

    I think we need more thought and less dogma. Here is the Economist on the radical notion that a modest minimum wager hike has a modest effect on employment.

    “In flexible economies a low minimum wage seems to have little, if any, depressing effect on employment. America’s federal minimum wage, at 38% of median income, is one of the rich world’s lowest. Some studies find no harm to employment from federal or state minimum wages, others see a small one, but none finds any serious damage. Britain’s minimum wage, at around 47% of median income, with a lower rate for young people, also does not seem to have pushed many people out of work.”

    Not that O will get an increase through the House. The GOP: Thought-free since 1958.

    1. I think we need more thought and less dogma.

      LOL. Turd and every self-flattering liberal decry dogma right before they’re about to spew some dogma from the left. (See above for example.)

      1. Todd Mason

        Laugh all you want. The GOP take on minimum wage is not received wisdom any more. Mr. P can find an economist to carry the bosses’ water but that’s his job.

        1. I’m laughing mostly at your common liberal pose, Turd Man. You clowns don’t fool anyone. The douche chills are almost overwhelming.

          1. Todd Mason

            Ya know, readers recognize it when ad hominem is all you got.

          2. mesa econoguy

            Yes, that is abundantly clear from your commentary.

          3. You got an article from The Economist, Turd.


            Make labor more expensive…. and somehow there are no side effects. Any other magical commodities out there, Turd?

          4. Todd Mason

            Ooh, Paul found his *ss. Now he can continue to talk out of it.

        2. mesa econoguy


          It’s always amusing when economically illiterate morons like Turd opine on economics topics, incorrectly.

          If the “GOP’s take” (whatever that is) on min wage is that it has detrimental effects and reduces hiring, then they are correct.

          The only “conventional wisdom” received by Turd emanated from Obama’s pants.

          Enjoying your 14% unemployment yet, Turd?

          1. Todd Mason

            Q. How come Mesa talks and talks without getting anything done?
            A. Because sock puppets always have a hand up their *ss.

          2. mesa econoguy
          3. Todd Mason

            No, yo mama.

  6. But Americans already have access to welfare and welfare is similar – people won’t take a job unless it pays significantly more than welfare.

    The real no nonsense solution is to get rid of the minimum wage and get rid of all forms of welfare. Make people choose between working for any job versus poverty and whatever handouts they can get from charities.

  7. Benjamin Cole

    Eliminate the minimum wage and child labor laws too…and laws against push-cart vending and curbside businesses…and drug and sex sales…
    I find most people have a version of free enterprise they endorse but not the real thing…

  8. How is it immigration, legal and illegal, is almost always overlooked when discussing poverty, inequality, and the minimum wage? WTF did liberals think would happen to wages at the bottom rungs when millions of peasants from foreign lands swarmed entry level jobs for almost half a century now?

  9. mesa econoguy

    Obama isn’t ignoring anything: he has no interest in fighting poverty.

    The goal of the extremist Democratic Party is to maximize welfare and state dependency – which increases poverty – so that they may increase their power.

    It just so happens that he can neatly disguise this objective in the package of selling sweet-smelling bullshit to the ignorant and economically illiterate, increasing his support.

    The minimum wage and related income disparity/mobility discussions have nothing to do with poverty reduction whatsoever. They have everything to do with wealth confiscation and redistribution, power acquisition and expansion, and socialism.

    1. Todd Mason

      Hey, you forgot the Trilateral Commission, fluoridation of water, the UN and …. oh yes, black helicopters. Can’t forget the black helicopters.

      1. Turd,

        Intentional or not, liberalism is handsomely rewarded by its own failure. See Detroit where Obama received 98% of the vote in 2012.

        1. Todd Mason

          Mitt carried Texas’ 13th district 80 percent to 20 percent. Did Dubya’s tax cuts buy those votes or would h*ll freeze over before those Texans pulled the lever for O? And Detroit is different how?

          1. Seriously?

            According to a quick Google search, Texas 13th district is fairly prosperous with below national average crime. Once per-capita richest city in the US Detroit is bankrupt, full of freeloaders, nearly 50% illiterate, and perennial candidate for murder capitol of the US.

            Like votes for like. :)

          2. mesa econoguy

            It really is shocking, but entirely expected, that Turd is actually stupid enough to have posed a question like that in the first place.

            He is actually stupid enough not to be able to tell the difference between 50+ years of overt, large-scale leftist failure and preordained collapse from other completely unrelated scenarios.

            Unfortunately, he’s also just barely functional enough to pull a voting lever, like a trained monkey, to steal other peoples money.

            Pathetic, and simultaneously hilarious.

          3. Todd Mason

            I’d say that supply-side BS is also handsomely paid by its own failure, except that if I were Harold Simmons I’d want my campaign contributions back.

          4. Mesa,

            Yeah, I’m still chuckling about how clueless Turd has to be to not understand. And check out his non-sequitur about Harold Simmons. WTF?

            Unfortunately, the Turds of the world are going to have the last laugh as the leftist engineered idiocracy continues to gather strength. The Democrat dynasty is just beginning.

            Detroit is ahead of the curve, not an outlier.

      2. mesa econoguy

        Yeah, you’re right Turd, maybe we should just revert to monarchy.

        It’s far easier and cleaner to suppress “the enemy.”

  10. Walton Francis

    This proposal leaves out what is arguably the most important priority: a lower minimum wage rate for teenagers, the group with the highest unemployment rate by far. So let’s combine three priorities, not two, by some combination of lower rate, or subsidy, or both, so that employers have an incentive to hire the two most disadvantaged groups in the labor market.

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