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  1. Citizen Buddy

    “This is the next step in the civil rights movement,” Jackson said, noting minorities represent a sizable share of tech consumers but not its workers.”

    Gee, when blacks and Hispanics value education then maybe they will represent a sizable share of tech workers — which is logical, but…

    logic may give way to diversity quotas in tech for the uneducated, who are growing quickly and with sustainability.

    The smart phone may become a misnomer in the leftist paradise arising.

    1. Silicon Valley has been a big, obnoxious base of support for Obama for years. They probably thought they were protected from the shakedown artists who make up the Hopeandchangey coalition. Well guess what, fellas? You weren’t cool in high school and you aren’t cool now. Jesse and his gang are going to take your lunch money and dunk your heads in the toilet.

      1. Well guess what, fellas? You weren’t cool in high school and you aren’t cool now“…

        Good points paul

        I wish Silicon Valley would get even more attention from these fine folks

  2. The article’s premise is stupid and the pro sports analogy is even moreso.

    1. Citizen Buddy

      The pro sports analogy is airtight:

      Under Mr. Jackson’s rule:

      Consuming ethnicity = Player ethnicity = Diversity.

      1. Citizen Buddy

        Under Mr. Jackson’s rule, should not only one in ten NFL players be of African descent, as they make up a consuming ratio of 10%?

        Why aren’t Asians growing their NFL employment portfolios by replacing African Americans on defensive lines? Or, certainly Whites should be dominating defensive back positions that are hogged by Blacks.

        Where are the growing waves of Hispanics that should be empowered as power forwards in the NBA, to put LeBron on the bench?

    2. Can you go into more detail Casey?

      I order for there to be more black and hispanic tech workers, there has to be either more tech jobs, or fewer asian/white tech workers.

      Since it doesn’t sound like Jackson is planning on starting a tech company to hire black and hispanic workers, I think he means that future hires should come from the black and hispanic talent pool instead of the asian and white talent pool. That would discriminate against asians.

      Also, please go into some detail as to why the sports analogy is stupid.

    3. Casey,

      It will take a moments thought to realize this actually isn’t stupid at all.

      Abandon your prejudice and ask yourself why not give all groups in society the same status, why not be completely color blind?

      The examples show a blatant double standard. I believe the imbalances we see in competitive sports are very unlikely to be driven by racism but I believe the differences we see in highly competitive job markets are even less likely to be a product of it, if only because of the very large sample size and the sheer weight of economic value that is tied to it. Competition is the most effective enemy of bigotry.

      1. Bob Smith

        NFL teams assume blacks make superior athletes. A number of white players have talked about it, the teams aren’t shy about admitting it behind closed doors. It isn’t a scandal because blacks benefit from that assumption, if whites or asians benefited there would be hell to pay.

      2. So why has there been, and is there bigotry?

        1. Bud,

          You tell me. I’m saying we should treat everyone the same, regardless of the color of their skin, their religion, nationality, ethnicity, gender or just about anything else. It just doesn’t matter.

          If there’s bigotry in the world it’s because people who don’t agree with this. Idealistic I know, but some things, like market forces can help achieve these ends.

    4. I completely agree; the sports analogy is asinine to the nth degree.

      1. I completely agree; the sports analogy is asinine to the nth degree.

        Uh-oh, I guess it doesn’t support your narrative.

      2. Seriously do you call things “asinine to the nth degree” a lot or do you save it for when you want sound clever (but don’t have anything clever to say)?

        1. And do you frequently start sentences with “seriously”, or do you save for when you are trying to sound asinine to the nth degree?

          1. Bud you are hilarious!

            I’ll admit I did miss a comma, but it is acceptable use of the language. Whereas your usage is blatantly pretentious and contrived mine is perfectly ordinary.

            A little lesson for you: “style adverbials” or “stance adverbials of style” are adverbials which comment on the manner of conveying the message. We can add a style adverbial to more or less any sentence – provided it makes sense in context. But I must admit my usage did have a touch of sarcasm about it!

  3. Asians?? The open borders crowd makes it sound like Silicon Valley is staffed mostly by former ditch diggers and stoop laborers from central Mexico.

    1. It is staffed mostly by immigrants. Just not the immigrants you’re thinking of.

    2. morganovich

      40-50% of tech companies in silicon valley are started by immigrants.

      i don’t know if you spend an time down there, but as someone who lived in SF as a tech investor and who still gets out to the valley every 6 weeks or so, i can tell you: it is VERY asian.

      one of those old jokes is that if you had “raj singh” paged at oracle open world at moscone, you’d empty half the place out.

      asians are a big driver in US tech and a big part of engineering and CS staffs.

      but silicon valley consumes a great deal of low skilled labor too. cooks, dishwashers, landscapers, house and office cleaners, nannies, etc etc.

      people there work a lot. they outsource loads of others tasks. this is highly efficient. why waste your time creating $15 an hour of value mowing a lawn when you could be producing $500 at work?

      skilled and unskilled workers are synergistic and symbiotic.

      this does not change based on their immigration status.

      1. Morg,

        why waste your time creating $15 an hour of value mowing a lawn when you could be producing $500 at work?

        Sure, but we don’t have to import millions of tax consuming, unskilled liberals to mow lawns. That’s what teenagers are for.

        1. Paul

          Sure, but we don’t have to import millions of tax consuming, unskilled liberals to mow lawns. That’s what teenagers are for.

          I can’t imagine many businesses that are more free market and unregulated than lawn mowing. I have to believe that those jobs go to the workers who are best qualified and most competitive.

          As you probably know, teenagers only mow lawns when forced to do so by parents who want them to learn about “real life”, and the value of working for a reward.
          Do you want teenagers mowing your lawn? I sure don’t. I’d rather do it myself.

          Luckily for me, there are plenty of hard working illegals who do a great job at reasonable prices. As a consumer, I’m better off. (remember Bastiat) It’s a win win.

          1. Citizen Buddy

            “Luckily for me, there are plenty of hard working illegals who do a great job at reasonable prices. As a consumer, I’m better off. (remember Bastiat) It’s a win win.”

            Ron, so where does that put the highly educated legal immigrants, that waited for years to enter the U.S. in your thinking? Bastiat would love the value they impart in the high tech products you consume.

            Ron, does your thinking accept the illegal population changing the makeup of congressional districts by in migration? Or, how about the effect on the electoral college from the illegals vast influx?

            Ron, how about the rule of law broken by illegal entry?

            More and more Congressional districts, and the electoral college, swing blue from illegal immigrants and their supporters.

          2. Ron,

            As you probably know, teenagers only mow lawns when forced to do so by parents who want them to learn about “real life”, and the value of working for a reward.
            Do you want teenagers mowing your lawn? I sure don’t. I’d rather do it myself.”

            I actually mowed my parents’ lawn and made a little extra money mowing other peoples’ lawns growing up. I did a lot of sh*tty work that illegals are doing now. Menial work is an excellent life lesson for young people. Handing all that over to illegals cheats teens out of that valuable experience.

          3. Ron,

            I have to believe that those jobs go to the workers who are best qualified and most competitive.

            Best qualified? To mow a lawn? Can you fog a mirror? Congratulations, you’re fully qualified to mow lawns!

          4. morganovich

            paul-

            “Best qualified? To mow a lawn? Can you fog a mirror? Congratulations, you’re fully qualified to mow lawns!”

            wow is that not true. you must do your own landscaping. the number of incompetents and the damage they can do is quite significant. me, i want a professional, not a teenager.

            cb-

            “Ron, so where does that put the highly educated legal immigrants, that waited for years to enter the U.S. in your thinking”

            i think he would say “stop making them wait”. and i’d agree.

            ” does your thinking accept the illegal population changing the makeup of congressional districts by in migration? Or, how about the effect on the electoral college from the illegals vast influx?”

            this is a separate issue, but ultimately, what you are really saying is “should we make the country and consumers worse off to protect my political party?”

            of course, if we, say, actually followed the US constitution and kept the fed limited to enumerated powers, we sure would not have this problem. democracy is only dangerous to the extent that you let it supersede rights.

            “Ron, how about the rule of law broken by illegal entry?”

            this seems like a bad argument based on empty legalism and circular reasoning.

            if a law is a bad law, say, that you are legally required to report and return an escaped slave, is the violation of such a law a travesty?

            no.

            failing to uphold senseless laws HELPS the notion of liberty and rule of law.

            claiming that defending a law itself as opposed to the principle behind it is a very dangerous line of reasoning. it could be used to defend anything that managed to get codified.

            if we had sharia law, would you support the rule of law?

          5. morganovich

            “Menial work is an excellent life lesson for young people. Handing all that over to illegals cheats teens out of that valuable experience.”

            i do not follow this reasoning.

            if it’s such a great life lesson, wouldn’t having to compete more for it make it an even better lesson?

            look son, these are the people you will have to compete with and under-price if you do not get an education.

            give them no competition and it’s an easier lesson.

            not being able to find a job because you have no skills and insufficient education is also a helluva lesson.

            let’s really teach em!

            competition is global and that’s not goign away.

            why give them unrealistic lessons?

          6. Citizen Buddy

            morgan writes: “failing to uphold senseless laws HELPS the notion of liberty and rule of law.

            claiming that defending a law itself as opposed to the principle behind it is a very dangerous line of reasoning. it could be used to defend anything that managed to get codified.

            if we had sharia law, would you support the rule of law?”

            Morgan, there is a vast difference between Sharia Law and U.S. laws. Sharia Law, based on the Quran and Muhammad’s words outside the Quran, hadith, are not voted on by elected representatives. Sharia Law is the will of Allah, expressed by Muhammad, on society.

            The political entity known as Islam has no authority in the U.S. pertaining to laws enacted by elected reps.

            Why are immigration laws senseless if they have the purpose of controlling the borders of the country? What is senseless is supporting not having control of the borders.

            You seem to be needlessly strident in supporting illegal immigration, and blind of the effects because of stridency.

          7. Morg,

            We were talking about lawn mowing, not in-depth landscaping. Any idiot can mow a lawn. And I’d rather American kids actually have the opportunity to get their hands dirty and learn how to hustle. Being kids, they just aren’t going to underbid Pedro the 30 yr old peasant who has a brood of anchor babies to feed.

            this is a separate issue, but ultimately, what you are really saying is “should we make the country and consumers worse off to protect my political party?”

            It isn’t about protecting a feckless GOP. It’s about keeping the country out of the permanent clutches of the left. That’s the point where their fangs will really come out.

          8. Cit

            Ron, so where does that put the highly educated legal immigrants, that waited for years to enter the U.S. in your thinking?

            Morganovich is right. I say “stop making them wait”.

            Ron, does your thinking accept the illegal population changing the makeup of congressional districts by in migration? Or, how about the effect on the electoral college from the illegals vast influx?

            Well, non-cits can’t vote, so theoretically that shouldn’t be a problem. If you think there’s a problem with that, election fraud might be the problem to focus on. And if that IS the case, It may all be lost in any case.

            Ron, how about the rule of law broken by illegal entry?

            As morganovich pointed out, all laws shouldn’t be obeyed just because they exist – Jim Crow laws for examples.

            If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.” — Thomas Jefferson

            More and more Congressional districts, and the electoral college, swing blue from illegal immigrants and their supporters.

            That’s the problem with a representative democracy where people get to vote their preferences. You may not always be on the right end of the stick. Tyranny of the majority can be a terrible thing.

            “If we could only restrict this egalitarian notion of “one man one vote” to people like us.”

          9. Cit

            Morgan, there is a vast difference between Sharia Law and U.S. laws.

            I think the point is that there are many laws under Sharia that we would violently disagree with. I don’t know anyone who would support stoning of women who had been raped. We would be serving liberty and justice by ignoring and disobeying such laws. There is nothing virtuous about obeying a law just because it’s the law.

          10. Citizen Buddy

            Ron,

            “Well, non-cits can’t vote, so theoretically that shouldn’t be a problem. If you think there’s a problem with that, election fraud might be the problem to focus on. And if that IS the case, It may all be lost in any case.”

            I’m not claiming election fraud in this example.

            Congressional districts are based on population totals, so the blues increase and the reds decrease.

            Also, electoral college portioning is based on population beyond the standard two votes. This is a basic reason leftists support the illegals so much — their power increases greatly.

            Sure, support immigration but not illegal immigration which senseless.

          11. Cit

            Congressional districts are based on population totals, so the blues increase and the reds decrease.

            Also, electoral college portioning is based on population beyond the standard two votes. This is a basic reason leftists support the illegals so much — their power increases greatly.

            I must be missing something here. Representatives are elected, and seek to get reelect, by voters. I understand district apportionment, and the battles to realign districts to ensure continued voter support, but someone who doesn’t vote, no matter what their sentiment, is neither blue nor red. Perhaps you are referring to representatives hopes of attracting future voters who will become blue or red when they grow up.

            If that’s your point, them I can only say again that that’s the trouble with representative government. Tyranny of the majority is a bitch.

            Sure, support immigration but not illegal immigration which senseless.

            I support the elimination of illegal immigration by making all immigration legal.

          12. Bob Smith

            “I support the elimination of illegal immigration by making all immigration legal.”

            Then you support the destruction of the country. If you have no border, you have no country. The rest of the world can take over just by walking in, without a fight.

          13. Paul

            I actually mowed my parents’ lawn and made a little extra money mowing other peoples’ lawns growing up. I did a lot of sh*tty work that illegals are doing now.

            I did too, Paul, in fact working at menial part time jobs while in college convinced me to stay in school to avoid doing such shit work for the rest of my life.

            Menial work is an excellent life lesson for young people. Handing all that over to illegals cheats teens out of that valuable experience.

            Yes, I always had my kids cleaning toilets for othe neighbors and picking strawberries in the season. When they were old enough I packed them off to California’s central valley to pick lettuce and artichokes. Great life lessons, so they say (on those few occasions when they will actually speak to me).

            (jk) :)

            No one is “handing all that” over to illegals. It’s necessary that teens or unemployed people be available and at least somewhat willing to do those menial jobs, and in my experience, they’re not.

          14. Ron,

            Well, non-cits can’t vote, so theoretically that shouldn’t be a problem. If you think there’s a problem with that, election fraud might be the problem to focus on. And if that IS the case, It may all be lost in any case.

            C’mon, Ron. The Democrats seed for the future with anchor babies and amnesty.

            That’s the problem with a representative democracy where people get to vote their preferences

            And so rather than stopping importing of millions of mouths to feed who will vote to take even more, we just have to shrug and wait for the eventual collapse, I guess. We’re helpless.

          15. Paul

            C’mon, Ron. The Democrats seed for the future with anchor babies and amnesty.

            If Democrats have the power to do that, then they have the power to continue it.

            How would you go about changing the 14th Amendment and preventing amnesty? There doesn’t appear to be enough opposition to current trends. I suppose we could agitate for an end to the welfare system, but that isn’t likely to happen either.

            It’s the free stuff that’s the problem, right? Otherwise market forces would select just the right number of high skilled and low skilled immigrants.

            And so rather than stopping importing of millions of mouths to feed who will vote to take even more, we just have to shrug and wait for the eventual collapse, I guess. We’re helpless.

            Yeah, pretty much. There seem to be more people working toward a collapse than against it.

            We will know the bottom has been reached when emigration exceeds immigration.

            I think we agree that the root of the problem is either the welfare state, or the ability of politicians to determine their own futures without regard to voter preferences. Every other problem is a symptom.

            I would like to see repeal of government “solutions” that caused the problems in the first place, you want to fix those problems with more government “solutions”. I’m not sure it ever works well that way.

      2. Ron,

        You support all immigration? So you support the Mariel boat lift, diseased migrants, and The Roma flocking to the US? How about radical Muslims? Think they will buy into your libertarian ideals? How that working out in Europe? http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/08/international/europe/08prisons.html?_r=0

        1. Ron

          Your xenophobia is showing.

          1. Ron,

            That was one of my patented careless commenting screw ups. I actually put your name in the name field instead of my own! Doh!

            While I recover from my shame, would appreciate an answer. To recap, Castro opened up his jails and sent vicious criminals to our shores. Other thug states could easily do same. Also, The Roma would find Americans especially easy pickin’s. A friend of mine is a specialist here in Phx in viral diseases like drug resistant tuberculosis. He says about 60% of the cases he’s seeing come from illegal immigrants. And finally, I’m sure the folks who would like to cut our throats would appreciate the opportunity to come here and have a better life. People like these folks here, for example: http://youngcons.com/a-chilling-video-of-a-hamas-terrorist-rally-in-miami/

            Should we let them all swarm in to our multicultural welfare state ?

          2. Paul

            That was one of my patented careless commenting screw ups. I actually put your name in the name field instead of my own! Doh!

            Heh! I’m glad I’m not the only one who does things like that.

            While I recover from my shame, would appreciate an answer.

            OK, I’m back. Hopefully you’ve had plenty of time to recover. :)

            To recap, Castro opened up his jails and sent vicious criminals to our shores.

            And all the immigration policies we have in place didn’t prevent it.

            Other thug states could easily do same.

            Anything is possible. How would you prevent it? allow NO immigrants? Pretty hard to know sometimes what a person’s previous history is. How does a person wanting to immigrate prove they aren’t a criminal? do you deny asylum seekers from thug states who might be killed if they returned home?

            I’m not against asking people who they are and whether they are sick when they want to enter the country, I’m just against denying entry to people for no apparent reason except they are from somewhere else.

            Also, The Roma would find Americans especially easy pickin’s.

            There are already Roma in the country. I’m not in favor of denying groups of people entry based on race, ethnicity, or country of origin. Let’s deal with individuals.

            A friend of mine is a specialist here in Phx in viral diseases like drug resistant tuberculosis. He says about 60% of the cases he’s seeing come from illegal immigrants.

            I’m not surprised. Thank goodness they’re able to get treatment in this country!

            And finally, I’m sure the folks who would like to cut our throats would appreciate the opportunity to come here and have a better life. People like these folks here, for example: http://youngcons.com/a-chilling-video-of-a-hamas-terrorist-rally-in-miami/

            Interesting video. Let’s step back for a moment and think about it.

            First of all, I don’t like the assholes I’m seeing in the video. That said, I see only a handful of people demonstrating. Yes, they are loud, hostile, use bad language, and say scary things. So what? Those particular people are clowns, and aren’t a problem to us.

            Would you deny their right to assembly and speak? We either have freedoms or we don’t.

            Should we let them all swarm in to our multicultural welfare state?

            We should end the welfare state.

  4. chuck martel

    Nice to see the Reverend Jackson taking some time off from visiting his son in the penitentiary to comment on this terrible situation. By the way, how many native Americans are employed in Silicone Valley?

    1. Chuck

      By the way, how many native Americans are employed in Silicone Valley?

      Don’t worry, it looks like Jesse’s on the job for Native Americans also.

  5. On some job applications and other forms, they sometimes include an “Other” category. As the [actual] intent seems to be to let them know what minority you belong to so they can discriminate against ‘white males’, I’ve been tempted to try to use it to claim my “Top 1% IQ minority” status, just to confuse the HR minions.

    Of course, that would probably frighten a lot of them away as well… ;-)

  6. Isn’t this a double standard?

    Non-leftists seem to never learn that leftists have zero problem with double standards.

    1. See, there are some common traits among the left and right.

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