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  1. As much as I usually respect Charles Murray, his conclusion is the same old tired line thrown out by many within Washington: the survival of the Republican party hinges upon the Republican party being the living embodiment of Charles Murray’s political philosophy.

    Further, Murray’s “that’s unfortunately how the GOP seen” is a copout. No, that is how Charles Murray views conservatives. It would be refreshing if he could express that opinion without hiding behind the magical “others.”

    1. Carlos Lam

      There r worse things than being seen as a champion of free markets & free lives, and note that many libertarians (small L) are pro-life bc they view abortion as a violation of the nonviolence principle.

  2. The 2012 election isn’t a good basis for analysis. After all, the Republicans managed to choose as a candidate the only person in the party who couldn’t run against Obamacare, and one of the few people in the party who could be attacked on his tax rate. Maybe if we get a conservative candidate again (and no, Bush 41, Dole, Bush 43, and McCain were not conservatives!) the voters will have a choice.

  3. The Marriage Gap is a very big deal. It correlates with whether a state went Red or Blue in 2012 better than anything else. I’ll have an article out shortly on the 2012 state numbers, but here’s one on the Marriage Gap using 2012 national exit poll numbers:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-gop-s-other-problem-marriage-gap-huge-in-2012-but-marriage-declining

  4. Here’s an early 2008 article explaining why the Marriage Gap drives the Red – Blue map of the states:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/value-voters/

  5. Political scientist George Hawley of the U. of Houston has been researching the Marriage Gap, the Dirt Gap, and other “Affordable Family Formation” ideas and finding a lot of statistical validity. Here are some of his new and upcoming papers:

    https://sites.google.com/site/georgehawleysacademicwebpage/published-research

  6. A lot of religious traditional conservatives are rejecting the law and rejecting legal marriages. Thanks to the law defining unequal/dependent relationships as abusive/old/oppressive/etc.

    They are only having ceremonial sacramental marriages nowadays. With cohabitation and civil unions thrown in for any small legal issues.

    But yes the racial thing is real and defines modern American politics on par with changes in the legal marriage regime.

    +90% of Blacks who voted, voted for Obama
    +70% of Hispanics who voted, voted for Obama
    +70% of Asians who voted, vote for Obama
    40% of SWPL White Liberals in big cities who are afraid of minority crime yet blame it all on rural white Christians/redneck/white trash/etc. conservatives are blind, blind and in denial. It’s deflecting the blame.

    Only in a modern American liberal democracy can these people not be called a voting block voting for their own interests. If 90% of a population voted for one candidate, people would think what on earth was wrong with this sector of society.

    It can be said that “voter turnout” is what matters but it’s a copout. What matters is demographics because when voter turnout comes, and it will come, it’s always swinging towards pro mass legal + illegal immigration from other countries (liberals).

    What matters if something doesn’t always show its colors? It doesn’t change what it is at the core. It is just hiding itself. The voter turnout argument is the same.

  7. If it continues to be seen as a party dominated by anti-abortion, anti-gay, religious fanatics—and, however unfairly, that’s the way it is seen by broad segments of the non-conservative electorate—it will have gone the way of the Whigs long before 2040.

    This is due mostly to big city white liberals controlling the entire narrative, the media, politics and big business (yes, big business).

    Why should I care if I’m seen as bigot and I have to “change and evolve” my values and be inclusive of the most intolerant tolerant people around.

    I find the entire modern legal marriage, the entire modern culture and political climate despicable.

    Most men/women in America are not professional high-status white liberal and Asian liberal women/men who want to impose their disgusting morals on the country.

    BHO is their candidate. A man who hates guns, hates the country (aka flyover country and non-big city places) and apparently thinks that relationships that are not egalitarian amounts to rape.

    May he burn in Hell. Or better yet be shot by his own drone attacks.

    Charles Murray is quite typical of his social circles. Supporting USA social liberalism when these people are merely 5-10% of American society.

    Big cities need to go.

  8. I don’t think many people on the left understand how they are imposing their cultural morals/sexual mores/etc. on American society and expanding it through media/politics/big business.

    Am I an yuppie professional mother who has a fabulous career and 3-4 beautiful children (obviously through artificial modern contraception)? Is my dear man a high-status powerful Washington D.C. man who is making rain in D.C.? Or in NYC? Or SF? Or Silicon Valley? Or Chicago? Or Atlanta? Or Austin?

    No. I’m sick and tired of “power couples” and their stuff. How many people in America actually make 6 figures, 7 figures or 8 figures? Elite men and women right? The top 1%, 0.1% and the 0.01%?

    It’s frustrating having constantly their values thrown down my throat. I hope they all become bankrupt through Black/Hispanic welfare single mothers sucking their resources dry.

  9. Or better yet, how about IVF? And surrogates? Yay!

    This is so removed from daily life.

  10. For my two cents, I saw no mention of the 4M Republicans that “sat out” the 2012 election. This may be because Charles said that those figures have not come out yet. Some political pundits have remarked that the GOP did not “set their base”. Unfortunately, I rarely agree with the political pundits.

    My thinking is that 4M Republicans sat out this election for one of several reasons. One being that their GOP candidate did not win the nomination. Second, that Romney was a Mormon which is not considered Christian, and Christians refused to vote for a Mormon. I would add here that Romney’s morals and attitude far outweigh those of some Christians. And one reason could be that the GOP didn’t set their base. I highly doubt that opinion.

    These Republicans that did not vote in 2012 failed to understand that their vote would not necessarily count as a vote for Romney, but against Obama.

    The GOP is going to have to change, not necessarily for the reasons that Mr. Murray stated. First of all, they need to either get rid of the moderate establishment Republicans. Then they need to stand their ground on their principles and call Obama’s bluff on his economic policies. As a result, that would make the Country suffer some and turn Democrats away from Obama. The Republican House should now be nullifying all EO’s that Obama has written, that call for any law or that result in even one cent being paid out. They need to stand their ground. Once the people started seeing and experiencing the results of Obama’s economic policy actions, I would think that many minds would change about the Democrats and Liberals. Especially in the Latino and Asian communities. When Obama actually owns his actions, the people are not going to like it at all. If this happened now, 2014 elections could sway in a big way.

    Just my opinion.

  11. I am writing a book entitled
    Condoms are not romantic: How America’s demographic and economic problems can be solved by paying women who have an IQ of 65 to fornicate in a public library bathroom at taxpayer’s expense rather than allowing people to keep their own money in the own pocket! Making the world a better place indeed!

  12. It looks quite likely that those Latino illegal immigrants will be citizens before the next elections, since the Republicans appear to be ready to sign their own death warrant and amnesty the lot of them.

    Republicans also face a demographic problem from all young people, including whites – regardless of your race, the younger you are, the more thoroughly you’ve been indoctrinated by left-wing media, and the more likely you are to be the child of a single mother, financially dependent on EBT cards and Medicaid. These people are not going to grow up to vote for Republicans who will cut programs they depend (or depended) on in order to cut taxes they will most likely not be paying anyway.

    I don’t think there’s a democratic solution to this for the Republicans as we know them. There will not be an important party that supports the principles they support, any more than there’s an important party that still supports the divine rights of monarchs. There is still a party that bears the name – “Tory” – of the monarchists of the pasts, but it now has much more in common with its previous incarnation’s opponents than its previous incarnation. If there’s still a Republican Party in 50 years, it will either be an insignificant regional party, or it will bear little resemblance to the party of Reagan.

  13. Witch Hazel

    Dr. Murray, don’t you think you should also factor in some sub-sets of the US population that will consistently vote democrat as follows:

    Arabs – 2% of population
    Jews – 2% of population
    Gays – 2% of population
    Indigenous (Eskimo, Native American) – 2% of population

    If one factors in that out of these sub-groups, approximately 70% are going to consistently vote democrat, that puts another 6-8% of the voting domain in the democrats favor.

    Just food for thought.

  14. Florida resident

    Thew problem of Republican party in USA is much better explained by Steve Sailer,
    than by (most deeply respected by me) Dr. Charles Murray. See
    http://www.vdare.com/articles/happy-white-married-people-vote-republican-so-why-doesnt-the-gop-work-on-making-white-peopl

    The title of his article is
    “Happy White Married People Vote Republican, So Why Doesn’t The GOP Work On Making White People Happy?”

    It reflects the main (in my very humble opinion) technical achievement of Mr. Sailer in sociology:
    introducton and development of the notion of
    “AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION”.
    This achievement, along with
    “Income inequality and IQ” by Dr. Murray,
    http://www.mega.nu/ampp/murray_income_iq.pdf
    make these two individuals
    the most deserving “Nobel Prioze in Economics”
    living people.
    Alas, nobody asked me to nominate them.
    F.r.

    1. Florida resident

      That was written before morning tea.
      I am really sorry for all the typos:
      Thew —> The
      introducton —> introduction
      Prioze —> Prize

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