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  1. “Republicans are seen by Asians—as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites—as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate. In the public mind, except among Republicans, that image is taken for reality.”

    Michelle Bachmann. Rick Santorum. Mike Huckabee. Herman Cain. Pat Robertson. Sarah Palin. Paul Broun. Ron Paul. Allen Keyes. Sam Brownback. Tom Tancredo. Just a few very visible GOP politicians, several of whom ran for president. And then there is the 2012 GOP platform. There is the call against instituting Shariah law in the US, which is just strange. The idea that the UN is some sort of hostile force. A “return to the gold standard”. Opposition to gay rights. Fringe positions on abortion. And then there are GOP-sponsored measures on teaching of science in a certain way. So if Asian voters perceive the GOP in that way, it is mainly because the most vocal elements of the GOP strongly advocate those positions.

    1. There’s plenty of nutjobs in the Democratic party, like Maxime Waters, or the child molestor(who was close to Bill Clinton) who is now running for the same office that was previously held by Jesse Jackson Jr.
      You could go on and on.

      I think it’s more like this: Asians are overwhelmingly in liberal states like California, New York or the increasingly deep-blue Illinois. And even within such states, they are within major urban centers like New York, Austin or LA/SF.

      So the surroundings is heavily, heavily liberal to begin with.

      Second, as Asians become more integrated into American culture it’s a well known fact that liberals won the cultural war decades ago. That means that the media, a natural offspring of the cultural zeitgeist, is going to reflect that fact.

      In short, all Republican nutjobs are going to be highlighted, no matter how trivial(or in some cases, not so trivial) while the dems mostly get a pass. This, too, increases the political indoctrination.

      Second, even if Asians are going disproportionally into the hard sciences, a large amount still go to humanities and/or ‘soft sociences’ like economics or political science or psychology. In recent surveys, a stunning 90% of pol sci professors said they were liberals. A similar result was found for psychology professors too. It isn’t that there are no conservative professors(or, more truthfully states, candidates for professorship) it’s that the liberals are openly discriminating against them. In fact, the same surveys asked about this and a strong majority of the professors said that they either had already or had no problem in discriminating against someone with conservative views.

      I think that the GOP has become more socially radical, on religous issues in general, but that this is at best a supplementary issue. That GOP ‘social extremism’ becomes an issue at all is because the Asian population, specficially those under 40, are already so integrated into the liberal outrage machine so they become hypersensitive to even the most fringe figure.

      In other words, while all the reasons mentioned are extraterrestial, in a sense, they are all in effect symtoms and not the ‘disease’/source, which is the complete immersion into the liberal political sphere due to geography and total liberal domination of the universities.

      The rest of the issues that you’re supposed to be outraged, quickly follows, as you learn the ropes. And again, notice how the Dem nutjobs never get covered. They exist, but because if you only rely on liberal media, you think that they don’t. And why wouldn’t you? You never get told about them. So then it becomes very easy to think, hey, maybe (liberal stereotype #1, #2 and #3) is all true after all.

      What can the GOP do? Well, stop paying Karl Rove, for one. Stop courting the religious fundamentalists. But ultimately, the GOP is never, ever going to get a fair hearing without demonization without significant media presence and/or at universities too. Culture precedes poltics.

      In this sense, and in this sense only, the liberals got it right. But that wasn’t because of brilliance. They were a minority for much of the post-WWII era and as the golden age of liberalism began in the 1960s, the country shifted sharply to the right as a response.

      The liberals had nowhere to go but the universities and the media. My guess is that the GOP will end up in a similar position as the liberals did after Nixon. They’ll understand they got to play the long game, but they’ve still got to shed the Age of Reagan delusions. The shadow of Reagan is quickly receding and a new landscape is ahead of us. Fundamental political transformation will take decades.

      It’ll be interesting to see how far the liberals can push their time in the sun before the pendelum swings back.

      1. liberal “nut jobs” do not threaten minorities … or anyone else for that matter… they just advocate for more govt rather than slash and burn those of different cultures.

      2. Merely that you appear to think Maxine Waters is the equivalent of Ba’al’s litany of some of the most prominent Republicans in politics today does more to further Ba’al’s point than his comment did.

        1. “There’s plenty of nutjobs in the Democratic party, like Maxime Waters, or the child molestor(who was close to Bill Clinton) who is now running for the same office that was previously held by Jesse Jackson Jr.
          You could go on and on.”

          See, David, this is how the game is played: When you immediately counter a reasonable assertion that is backed up by several examples, you’re required to come up with real examples of your own, not a doty old lady and some guy whose name escapes you. Ba’al is right, and the most important thing the GOP can do at the moment is not lob accusations back over the net, but purge its party of the grandstanders, bigots, and know-nothings that populate its mainstream. Also: Rush Limbaugh. He makes the GOP feel good, gives them a few laughs, but scars the hell out of enough Americans to ensure that the GOP is on the path to becoming a large, vocal, but electorally insignificant minority.

          1. nitpicker

            “B-b-but…Maxine Waters!” Hilarious.

          2. Maxine… does not scare the bejesus out of potential voters like the nutjobs in the GOP do.

      3. Marcel Kincaid

        That’s a remarkable construction, David, a deeply intellectually dishonest fantasy about the poor little GOP, so unfairly treated. But you just keep believing it, while the Dems continue to win elections.

    2. I totally agree with your assessment. The Republican party comes across as being intolerant & hateful – my way or the highway mentality.

      I irks me for I am borned here USA, served 4 yrs in the military during war-time and white people question my allegiance.

    3. Michael Roy

      Exactly my thoughts when I read this! republicans who argue to the contrary are delusional.

  2. Did this article get linked to the Daily Kos? The comments are insane, proving the Democrats have been quite successful in their pandering and fear mongering efforts.

    1. Actually it’s a pretty honest explanation of how Asian Americans feel. You can believe it or dismiss it as “Daily Kos propaganda.” Your choice, just don’t expect to pick up those votes ever again.

      For the record I make over 250k, voted McCain in 08′ and believe in fiscal conservatism. I quite liked Romney, but I will not bring myself to vote for a GOP in this current state. Period.

    2. It must be nice to live in your little world, Ms. M., where it’s enough to call unidentified comments “insane,” and not feel obliged at all to explain what is “insane” about them.

      Nope. Labeling is enough, evidently. Ironically, it’s that view of the world that has led to the GOP’s current crisis. Now it’s in a struggle for its own political survival. And if Ms. M is any indication, the GOP will lose that struggle.

      And I, for one, will see that as a very, very positive development.

    3. Two sentences, so little time. I read the comment to which you replied. He or she is absolutely correct. The people out in front of the GOP are, frankly, scary to ordinary (dare I say “real”) Americans. As far as pandering and fear mongering: the Republicans have that playbook down pat. Have you ever watched Fox News? There’s a News Alert or Breaking story every 30 seconds. The anger spewed on there is enough to power a large American city.

      I can’t claim to be in the minority. I’m a white, Anglo-Saxon (former) Protestant. My household income is close to 400K per year. We live well below our means as we are fiscally very responsible. But I vote on social issues as well and this GOP represents everything that I abhor in terms of the suppression of individual rights and freedom.

      And for all of that, I voted for Obama.

    4. No clue about Daily Kos, but I wandered here from Crooked Timber. (The auther at that site was admittedly rather disparaging of the supposed logic of this piece, but CT is the sandbox of a group of rather brainy academics.)

  3. “And yet something has happened to define conservatism in the minds of Asians as deeply unattractive, despite all the reasons that should naturally lead them to vote for a party that is identified with liberty, opportunity to get ahead, and economic growth.”

    Mr. Murray, as a member of a minority(although I am also a Canadian) I submit to you that you are missing the chief reason that this is the case, the “something” that has happened is that the majority of Asians tend to believe that Republicans are racist. I personally believe this is very irrational, but from the many people who I’ve talked to this seems to be a fairly general undercurrent. While asians may not complain about racism, they still feel that it exists a lot in every day life and they do experience it.

    1. I’d like to qualify that. We (me?) don’t see the GOP as racist.

      We see the GOP as having a good number of people with unconscionable racist and misogynist opinions and viewpoints within their tent, be they politicians, pundits or just “base” supporters. We also see a much larger majority in the GOP willing to at best ignore them, at worst pander to them.

      And that is unconscionable to us. Do you really think you can slander Muslims, Latinos, blacks, gays etc., however subtly, without us noticing?

      1. ” Do you really think you can slander Muslims, Latinos, blacks, gays etc., however subtly, without us noticing?”

        The GOP establishment thinks that.

        Romney was perfectly content to have them in his tent shouting racist blather at minorities. Romney did not have the balls to out them and take a principled stand and that, in turn, send a powerful message to minorities and yes they heard it loud and clear.

        1. Frank in red country

          “Romney was perfectly content to have them in his tent shouting racist blather at minorities.”

          Speaking as a minority, I didn’t see any of that in a deep red state. And I live in a very red area. Can you give links and quotes? I’ll report them to the RNC who’ll dump on them like a ton of bricks. I lived and grew up in a blue state and experienced plenty of anti-Asian prejudiced from black people, yet I don’t think that those principles guide the Democratic Party.

          1. you’ll report them?

            HA HA HA

            they’ve ALREADY been reported guy – to the minorities who took full note ….

            are you nuts? Have you not listened to the birthers ?

            do you think the birthers had any effect on Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics?

            You say you live in a RED state and never saw any.

            Then I presume you were not looking and did not want to look. That’s how the GOP lost.

          2. Frank in red country

            Larry G, — birthers?

            How about 9/11 truthers “”

            How about the new Black Panther party? I could go on. The fact is that you’ve bought the notion that racists/wing nuts reside only on the right.

            So how’s Obama and the Dems going fix the 1.2 trillion deficit? An $80 billion tax raise on the “rich.”


            Go back to the Clinton tax rates? That would also require $500 billion in spending cuts —

            The fact of the matter is that the left much more than the right is doing and argumentum ad populum. We need a discussion of the stark facts of the fiscal crisis not a finger pointing exercise in who’s holier.

          3. re: “racism” on both sides.

            have it your way. The Asians, Blacks and Hispanics looked at both sides and decided.

            good enough? “Conservatives” have a rich history of treatment of blacks in the south and voter suppression is still openly practiced only it backfired this time.

            you can “spin” this any way you want but you cannot
            “spin” how people decided to vote.

            re: cutting – this is MORE than just a tax on the rich but more importantly we have two sides and two sides can put forth their proposals and one side refuses to and claims it’s the other sides responsibility to put forth THEIR proposal.

            what idiots! Why don’t they have the backboard to put forth their proposal?

          4. a. Your link for 9/11 truthers doesn’t work, here is the correct one.


            b. Two pertinent comments there:

            “The problem with those polls are that, depending on the wording of the question, some people think the pollster is asking whether Bush had notice that Osama would attack and, based on that August 6th report of “Osama determined to attack in US” by using planes, dems tend to say yes. That’s not the same as thinking he was in on it, which he absolutely wasn’t in any way shape or form, but he did receive an intelligence report that basically stated Osama was trying to attack the US using plans, which then happened a month later. Bush had nothing to do with 9/11 and to say that 9/11 would have been stopped if he acted more vigorously on that intel is a game of “what ifs” that is an act of futility. ”


            “Ben, find me ONE candidate even on the fringe of the Democratic party who was running on the believe that Bush was “in on it”…. ONE. (by the way, no matter how you try to appear even handed even going so as to draw a false equivalence between Birtherism in GOP and Trutherism in Democratic party, in the eyes of your conservative readers you will always be seen as a liberal…’s no longer about politics but culture and ethnicity)”

          5. re: Bush “did it” looneyism NOT connected in any way to the current election and Romney as a person….

            verses: phrases like “food stamp President”, ” the President “Lazy” … and dozens more pejoratives – attacks on the man and his race over and over from people identified with the GOP – and not a word from Romney disavowing any of it.

            tell me what the “liberals” did against Romney?

            and then tell me why the minorities were more influenced by what the GOP was saying…

            you boys simply deny the truth here. can you at least admit the truth?

          6. a. Clinton had us on the path to paying down the national debt, which Bush up-ended.

            b. The deficit relative to Clinton-era policies looks like this:


            Digest that chart, and then we’ll talk about deficit reduction.

          7. Thanks, Larry, those are really good charts!

            The GOP doesn’t even bother to dispute these kinds of presentations, they simply ignore them, and create their own mythology, repeated here by Red state zealots mindlessly.

          8. So Asians are in favor of gay marriage? liberalized abortion? is that what mattered to them in voting? I also live in a very red area and it was all about economic issues. Nothing about race or abortion was even considered. Liberal Republicans are elected in conservative Democrat West Virginia to two of our three House seats because they defend industrial jobs.
            It’s widely recognized that Asians are social conservatives as well as economic conservatives, and their Obama vote is totally inexplicable except for THEIR racism. And for being victims of main stream media which is likely where these non-issues about individual liberty are coming from.

          9. You simply don’ t listen, do you?

          10. I often hear the refrain from conservatives that the GOP is not racist and Democrats are just as racist and the view that the Republican Party is racist a product of vast left wing media conspiracy. As someone is fairly conservative on fiscal matters, and libertarian on social ones, I enjoy reading media across the spectrum. However, as an Asian American there is no question when matters turn to race (even tangentially) the vitriol in the commentary section of the right wing website turns me off. I think the commentary on this article has been excellent (maybe because many of the readers have directed via slate), but if you go to another article on another site such as:


            Too many of comments are offensive. Too often the assumption that if you’re minority and vote for Obama you are just being pandered to, and are on the teat of big government. Too much of the base plays into notion that only white European Americans are the only “real” productive Americans. I don’t come away with that feeling reading mainstream media, I come away with that feeling the right wing web sites. To suggest that it’s only because the media has hoodwinked “us” only adds to the insult. Yes, there are racist in the democratic party, and anti-asian attitudes, but I don’t come away reading left leaning sites feeling insulted and marginalized. It’s never productive to tell someone how they “should” feel, and I hardly count myself particularly sensitive on racial matters, and am about as anti-pc as they come. Until the moderate voices in the republican party are allowed to return instead cast out of exiles, the tone from the party is unlikely to change.

            Another oft-heard refrain in conservative circles is that we’re just talking about those “other” minorities, or we’re just talking about “takers.” That language however implies that I as an Asian-American don’t have permanent place at the table, merely a sponsor exemption.

            Until the Republican can start to understand that too big a part of it’s base leaves others feeling excluded, the party will only continue to suffer come election day. For the time being I believe many people like myself would rather make the Democratic party more conservative rather than try beg for a seat at the Republican table.

          11. Marcel Kincaid

            “Larry G, — birthers?

            How about 9/11 truthers”

            Tu quoque is not only a fallacy, it’s a concession. You lose.

          12. DO 9-11 “truthers” scare the bejusus out of would-be Dem voters?

        2. Yes!!

          I guarantee you had he taken that principled stance against and said clearly I will not have this said in my name, I guarantee you every Asian American would have heard it loud and clear.

          And take note GOP strategists – it most definitely would have impacted our vote.

          1. The press informs us that the #1 sticker selling at was ‘Don’t Re-N– in 2012’ where N- is the N-word.

            But since accusations of racism are very emotionally charged, let’s step back for a moment, and ask if we can establish GOP’s minority unfriendliness without using that.

            One pointer is the restrictions on voting that GOP-run states tried to impose. GOP should understand that the first step in winning someone’s vote is to not make it more difficult for that someone to vote.

        3. I truly do wish people would refrain from using the word “minority” or “minorities” or even “African-American” for that matter. The term “minority” has an inherent connotation that those groups are all subject and even predisposed to be discriminated against and are powerless to defend themselves against it. Thus, because of their proclivity to be discriminated against, special protections must be afforded to them. This is what is implied by use of the word “minority.” It is an absurd term to group so many people of disparate religions, national origins, ethnicities, cultures and so form into this giant tent that typically is a euphemism for “non-white.” But, again, more so than just being non-white, they also need protection because they will be discriminated against. This is rubbish, which is why I refuse to use the term and implore others to drop it just the same.

          It just so happens, though, that Americans of Asian descent do happen to be perhaps the most discriminated against group in the country. What else can you call it when the fact that you are Asian drastically lowers the chances that you will be admitted into a university or accepted for a job. The GOP, it seems to me, could play up this issue when speaking to Asian voters, saying “You and your children and your family are viciously discriminated against and it is not fair and it is wrong.” I bet playing up that issue with Asians would actually go a pretty long way in recruiting them into the camp.

          1. what other word would you use to describe those segments of society who are “different” from the GOP white guy establishment and whose VALUES are different from and essentially not accepted by the GOP in word and deed?

          2. John Engelman

            Top schools that don’t ask about race in admissions process have very high percentages of Asian students. The California Institute of Technology, a private school that chooses not to consider race, is about one-third Asian. (Thirteen percent of California residents have Asian heritage.) The University of California-Berkeley, which is forbidden by state law to consider race in admissions, is more than 40 percent Asian–up from about 20 percent before the law was passed.

          3. John Engelman

            Top schools that don’t ask about race in admissions process have very high percentages of Asian students. The California Institute of Technology, a private school that chooses not to consider race, is about one-third Asian. (Thirteen percent of California residents have Asian heritage.) The University of California-Berkeley, which is forbidden by state law to consider race in admissions, is more than 40 percent Asian–up from about 20 percent before the law was passed.

          4. John Engelman

            Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

      2. I agree with jasleen re: only some Republicans/conservatives harbor racist attitudes. But I strongly believe the Romney’s campaign repeatedly and intentionally sought to appeal to these racist elements within the GOP base. This can be seen in the “O is gutting welfare reform” attacks (which every factchecker concluded was false), through chief campaign surrogate John Sununu (O is lazy, needs to learn how to be an American, ad nauseum) and in Mitt’s pandering to Donald (birth certificate, college transcript) Trump.

        Asian Pacific Americans are not stupid. They know if the Republicans can’t treat the President of the United States with respect and the GOP continues to question whether he is a real American, APAs will be treated the same way. Not a great way to win our votes.

        1. Romney and the GOP establishment stood by and essentially condoned the racist messages, the “birther” crap and worse.

          Every minority notices even when it happening to other minorities – the message is clear – “you’re next”.

          1. Absolutely.

            Just a personal anecdote – as a brown American – I remember my husband shouting at the TV on 9/11 that “you [terrible word] have destroyed us.” Long after, even when I disagreed with President Bush on many things, I could never dislike him as a man because I remember his speech so clearly immediately after that terrible day – when he differentiated between Muslims and terrorists, and made it clear in America we include all people and don’t judge groups based on skin color or which direction someone prays or who they lie in bed with.

            It may seem trivial but it made a big difference to me and it has stuck with me a decade later.

            Today, I watch the hateful things that can be said without any censure and it makes me sad, and it makes me scared. God forbid one day, someone in my ethnic group does something terrible, will I be subjected to the same discrimination?

            Moreover, if the President – an articulate, intelligent and family-oriented man of color – can attract so much hate and vitriol, what chance do the rest of us have?

        2. If voters of Asian background are anti-Communist, pro family, pro defense, pro security, anti big spending, anti government intrusion, low tax, they should vote for that (Republican) party. They vote against all the issues they say they are for, for what?
          Why does any one have to win you over? You ‘re citizens and you should enter the arena and not have to be persuaded to vote for what you believe in, as opposed to voting for liberals who are opposed to your beliefs. As conservatives they should vote conservative.

          1. Read this, I’m not asking you to agree with it or to accept its conclusions, just read it for the good of your soul or for the good of the Republican party.


          2. Helen Bedd

            Here’s a link to a piece from the LA Times that offers numerous reasons why Asians are now Democrats. [12 years ago Asians split their votes between Bush and Gore, then the GOP went hard to the right.]

            The authors point out, among other things, that Asians support education, and universal healthcare, and they opposed the GOP’s relationship with both the teaparty and the Christian right.


            As you can see there is little evidence that Asians are “natural conservatives.”

            An Asian American commenting at the Washington Monthly suggested that Asians are aware, when they look at the national red/blue map, that the states with the highest levels of educated population and affluence are all blue.

            Not sure if the suggestion is true but most Asians do live in blue states…CA, IL, NJ and NY.

          3. Helen Bedd


            If by “pro family” you mean better education, more social services, better paying jobs, later marriages, less divorce and/or less children born out of wedlock than the blue states are better.

          4. Marcel Kincaid

            EdA said above that all the Asians who voted Democratic did so because they’re racists. Way to go, Ed … The Democratic Party thanks you.

            The reality is that, unlike Ed, most Asians can distinguish between reality and myth. The real Republican Party is intrusive, anti-freedom, anti-family, big spenders on unneeded DoD boondoggles and profiteers like Halliburton, it is corrupt and dishonest, favors computerized market manipulations, or Bain-like hostile takeovers, over real work, and it ignored warnings about Osama bin Laden, allowing the U.S. mainland to be attacked … so much for security.

      3. Me too.

  4. Can I just say that I am loving these comments? Although I am a proud supporter of Obama, I was surprised to see that he got some 73% of the APA vote. I know the APA vote is often up for grabs since no party has a majority and there are sizable chunks of both Republican and Independent APA voters. But reading the comments has helped confirm my understanding of what happened in this past election. And, it makes me feel great to know that when one party disrespects people of color and then consciously seeks to appeal to racists rather than disavow them, they will pay a steep price and lose the votes of even people that might otherwise be sympathetic to their party or policy positions.

    1. I wonder if the Republican party–in addition to seismic changes needed in the rhetoric its candidates employ and positions they take–could not appeal to Americans of Asian descent by reminding them that they are undoubtedly the most discriminated against group in the entire country. Take it to the Asian communities that this is unfair and it is immoral and it is wrong and it must be stopped. Tell them that simply the fact that you are Asian drastically reduces the chances that you will be accepted into the university of your choice and will be hired by the employer of your choice. You chances are lowered simply because you are Asian. This is discrimination plain and simple and I think the Republican party could gain considerable ground with Asian voters by taking this route that Asians are the most discriminated against group in the country. Your admissions chances are much lower automatically because of your Asian heritage. If that’s not discrimination I don’t know what is.

      1. it’s not “semantics” that is the problem. If the GOP understood and embraced the fact that different cultures have different value profiles than the GOP base and incorporated that world view in it’s actions and words, they would compete effectively for those that many in their base openly disavow without a whimper of disagreement from the GOP establishment.

        1. What if a culture’s “value profile” dictated that 12 year-old girls should be forced to marry 45 year old men.

          Or, should have their clitoris removed?

          Or (please sit down, if you are not sitting already, for this shocking example I am about to present.), what they believe it’s perfectly OK to smoke cigarettes in front of children?

          Or drink more than 32 ounces of Mountain Dew in one sitting?

          1. re: smoking in front of kids

            so THAT’s the problem with the far right view of Blacks, Hispanics and Asians and other assorted different folks who are “not one of us”?

            Geeze if we knew that the real problem was the right had “good reasons” to be racists….

          2. We’re talking about American voters and their cultures or the world at large? OMG, we should vote Republican because some culture somewhere, sometime, practiced cannibalism! What a winning argument!

        2. The point, which was missed by a country mile, is that “tolerance” has it’s limits and that there is nothing NECESSARILY wrong with having a coherent concept of morality to which you think your fellow citizens should be held accountable.

          The other point, which you also missed, was that Republcians are not by a long shot the only ones who understand this rather obvious fact.

          1. ” “tolerance” has it’s limits and that there is nothing NECESSARILY wrong with having a coherent concept of morality to which you think your fellow citizens should be held accountable.”

            even if you are a political party needing votes to get elected to govern?

            re: the obvious fact –

            well the fact is if you espouse to be a political party that wants to lead – you have to get concurrence from those you would seek to govern.

            Got Common Sense?

    1. Nice find. Even people who voted for Romney do not agree with the GOP platform! As the article says:

      “The GOP has left itself little room to maneuver. When some in the Romney campaign took an interest in the “leave it to the states” position this fall, they discovered that the candidate, like several of his former rivals for the nomination, had already signed a pledge circulated by the National Organization for Marriage committing him to support a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. Although many national polls now show support for marriage equality, the national Republican platform continues to endorse the same deeply out-of-touch proposal.”


  5. To answer that question, let’s first ask ourselves: Why aren’t more Germans and Swedes supportive of Republican-like policies? (After all, they’re very well off as a group, and considered among the workhorses of Europe. And yet they support “big government” institutions to an extent the Democratic party couldn’t dream of.)

    Opposition to the GOP among educated professionals in America goes beyond associations w/ the religious right. It’s the all-out assault on the idea that the public sector has any role to play in civilized society.

    I dislike inefficient and unaccountable bureacracy as much as the next person, but if I thought the private sector could do a better job on its own in ensuring economic opportunity, food safety, sensible urban planning and natural disaster relief for more advantaged folks, I’d move to a third world country.

    1. re: voting for a party – that is identified with racist ideas and policies.


      1. Don’t forget how the GOPers luv them some torture too! Perhaps Asian Americans like the idea of Human Rights.

  6. Helen Bedd

    Karthick Ramakrishnan and Taeku Lee discuss Murray’s essay

    “Charles Murray, writing for AEI, argues that Asian Americans, like many other groups that voted for Obama, see Republicans as “the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists,” and thus cannot bring themselves to support Republican candidates.

    This assertion is in line with our argument regarding “push factors” associated with a vocal set of Republican leaders.

    However, Murray is inaccurate in his assertion that Asian Americans would otherwise align with the Republican Party with their support for fiscal conservatism.

    Our 2012 survey shows that Asian Americans support increasing taxes to help reduce the federal deficit, and a Pew survey from early 2012 indicated that Asian Americans prefer a bigger government that provides more services to a smaller government providing fewer services (55% to 36%, respectively), almost the mirror opposite to the U.S. average (39% vs. 52%, respectively).

  7. Here is my response:

    Some of the GSS graphs might interest you.

  8. Tbogg summed up this attitude nicely:

    “Shorter Charles Murray:

    I find it inexplicable and troubling that my indisputably correct stereotype of an Asian would believe in the demonstrably false stereotype of conservatives as a bunch intolerant racist god-botherers. I mean, I thought these people were supposed to be smart.

    You know … like white people.”

    The very framing of the conversation tips your hand. And trying to pretend that the leaders and spokespersons of the Republican party aren’t reactionary crazies? OK, put together a list of those who will admit the true age of the earth or that CO2 is heating the atmosphere. You would be hard pressed even a handful who would go on record admitting.

    Liberty? You’ve got to be kidding me? How about the liberty to marry someone of the same sex or determine the course of one’s own pregnancy or to have access to birth control in one’s health plan? Or even just to have access to basic health insurance? Or the liberty to build a mosque in Manhattan or Kentucky? To vote without a constant barrage of obstacles? How about the liberty to bargain collectively for fair wages and benefits in order to [be the party of] “get[ing] ahead”?

    All of the Republican initiatives at the state and federal levels over the past decade and half-decade in particular have proven the party to be reactionary, nativist, anti-science, anti-privacy and anti-liberty. You may as well own it. The funny thing is that contra this article, Republicans keep moving further even in this direction, ostensibly to find success eventually in some “true” or pure form of arch-conservatism.

    If you want to appeal to Asians, you need to be honest about your aims and philosophy and bias. Calling everything “liberty” when it is not is transparently silly. It might work with the rubes who are easily swayed by charged symbolism but it does nothing for a thinking crowd.

    Don’t get me wrong: please do proceed just as you have been. The unconscious racism combined with cultural initiatives straight out of the 1860’s could not make me, as a liberal, any more hopeful towards the long-term prospects of political change. Carry on!

    1. Max Planck

      “Shorter Charles Murray:

      I find it inexplicable and troubling that my indisputably correct stereotype of an Asian would believe in the demonstrably false stereotype of conservatives as a bunch intolerant racist god-botherers. I mean, I thought these people were supposed to be smart.

      You know … like white people.”

      That was absolutely brilliant. Thanks.

  9. “My thesis is that the GOP is in trouble across the electoral board because it has become identified in the public mind with social conservatism.”

    Brilliant thinking. And true. Maybe it’s because its spent the last decade appealing to its cultural conservative base and accepting implicit racism left and right?

  10. [“And yet something has happened to define conservatism in the minds of Asians as deeply unattractive, despite all the reasons that should naturally lead them to vote for a party that is identified with liberty, opportunity to get ahead, and economic growth.”]

    The GOP advocates forcing women to get unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds before they avail themselves of a legitimate (and legal) medical procedure.

    The GOP advocates suppressing science they refuse to accept, whether that science is evolution, climatology, economics, medicine, or whatever else have you.

    The GOP advocates punishing teachers and schools for flimsy reasons or no reason at all, while transferring money from public schools to private and charter schools.

    The GOP advocates making it harder to find a well-paying job, taking away job benefits and the right to collectively bargain, and squeezing or eliminating unemployment insurance for people who lose their jobs.

    The GOP advocates birtherism, “self-deportation”, and most recently, fighting against measures to protect both Native American women and the disabled.

    I could go on and on and on about what the GOP really advocates, but I trust the point is clear. *All* Americans, no matter their ethnicity, are noticing that the only people the GOP really advocate for are white straight wealthy protestant men.

    1. Max Planck

      “*All* Americans, no matter their ethnicity, are noticing that the only people the GOP really advocate for are white straight wealthy protestant men.”

      Which, as I repeatedly pointed out in rebuttal to Mr. Pethokoukis’ gleeful predictions of a Romney landslide, was Romney’s ONLY constituency.

      Everyone else hated him.

      1. ” Mr. Pethokoukis’ gleeful predictions of a Romney landslide”

        yup.. he was front and center among those who were claiming a “liberal” poll “conspiracy” .. and yet it did not slow him down a bit in his blather .. and he has yet to say how he messed up on believing people like Rove, Morris, Hannity, O’Reily, etc, et al, ad nauseum.

  11. ” I propose that the explanation is simple. Those are not the themes that define the Republican Party in the public mind. Republicans are seen by Asians—as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites—as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate. In the public mind, except among Republicans, that image is taken for reality.”

    The fact that you can write this with a (presumably) straight face indicates that Republicans have a long, long, long, long way to go before they figure out how they lost to Obama again, and managed to give up two additional Senate seats in an electoral environment which should have been very opposition-party-friendly.

  12. John Sicarius

    Mr. Murray is clearly forgetting this racist nonsense from one of the lions of conservatism:

    And the deafening outcry from Republicans. Oh no wait… that last part never happpened.

  13. Ken Pidcock

    Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate.

    No. It isn’t.

  14. brendanyc

    It is possible that Mr. Murray, and almost all of the AEI community have gone so far around the bend that they cannot see back to the reality most of us struggle with every day. I’ll assume (i admit i can’t really know) they have gone there precisely because it is indeed such a struggle to live closer to, or even in the middle of, reality. Or maybe the conservative culture has become so closed in that simple ignorance explains it. But i can’t know, as noted.
    I do know that i am conflicted in reading all these sincere attempts to help them see their error(s). Of course i would be fine with several elections in a row being lost by them because of their persistent misreadings of themselves and of the world at large. But thinking a bit bigger, i can’t be glad to have these ignoramuses running so much of the country (the house of reps., to begin with, so many state houses, so many powerful economic engines, etc.) and the world. So, i do hope there is a cure for the ignorance.
    But that hope wilts every time the curtain pulls back a bit and we get to see the fear of ‘the other’ that motivates so much of their error. That is, their ignorance, their mistaken views, are MOTIVATED. they believe this way because they want to, they need to, believe they are better than ‘the other.’ (Murray a nearly-perfect example).
    and then i realize this thing is bigger than me, than us–they will not change their hateful opinions. They will not even recognize that they carry these ugly feelings and ideas, that ugly distortions invade the basic assumptions of their arguments, that their views are not worthy. They simply can’t believe this and keep collecting their accolades, their book contracts, their pay.
    so, we have to focus on the young folk. Murray and his like will die off, even if only slowly. Decency can win, given enough insistence on it and time.

    1. @brendanyc – an EXCELLENT commentary.

      I think – at the root of it – that most Conservatives object to the concept of Governance. They see it as a necessary evil that must be blocked in and kept neutered.

      what they don’t accept is that others do not share that view at all and others do vote.

      The Conservatives have to decide if they want to actually govern and represent the views of the many different and diverse constituencies that do exist in a principled conservative way – but with necessary compromises or do they wish to hew to an unyielding pure ideology and hope to win on that basis.

      The States are changing also but more slowly as the counties that are mostly rural and Caucasian don’t change much unless they are adjacent to urban areas that ARE diverse… and purple/blue.

      The demographics are against the Conservatives and they are now at a crossroads as to how they want to proceed and the GOP is basically split about 1/3 to 2/3 between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives.

      but yes.. I agree.. when they write these days, it’s almost as if they refuse to acknowledge what are clear realities.

      You say this most recently in the election polls in which the Conservatives were claiming some kind of a “liberal” conspiracy about turnout and the GOP refused to believe it and were convinced right up until election night that they were ahead despite what the polls said.

      It was amazing to watch Karl Rove on FOX news dispute his own networks “call” on Ohio …. and now I understand that both he and Dick Morris have been outed at FOX which means the circular firing squad is deployed to deal with those who failed the party.

      1. Max Planck

        If any of you get the Sunday NY Times, check out the interview with Dinesh D’Souza.

        First, Mr. D’Souza further exposes himself as the walking POS he is, and second, he too, believes Asians are “natural conservatives.”

        What a disgusting creature.

  15. nitpicker

    Shorter Charles Murray: “Sure, I personally accused blacks of being stupid and the party pretty much equates ‘American’ with white people, but, c’mon man, we love Asians. So vote Republican.”

  16. “Asians who became successful because everyone in the family worked two or three jobs (a common strategy behind Asian success) are likely to be offended by the liberal “You didn’t build that” mentality.” And here we see that Mr. Murray is so intellectually lazy and/or dishonest that he genuinely does not distinguish between the out-of-context attack ads centering around that phrase, and the actual statement in context. The antecedent of the word ‘that’ in the referenced statement was the infrastructure that enabled a successful business to become successful, not the business itself. In that context, Mr. Murray’s claim shows exactly why Asians would be likely Democrats instead of Republicans – because “everyone in the family” worked together to achieve common success, a Democratic theme opposed to the you’re-on-your-own-ism of Republicans. If Mr. Murray was intellectually honest, he would rely on actual arguments instead of recycling known-false attack ads.

    1. ” If Mr. Murray was intellectually honest, he would rely on actual arguments instead of recycling known-false attack ads.”

      HORRORS! That would be blasphemous blather at AEI!

      why pass up a prime opportunity to demagogue an issue when dealing with it substantively is so boring and undermines their agenda to boot.


  17. Patricia Kayden

    Here’s an email which exemplifies why many Asians didn’t vote for Mitt Romney:

    Republicans better change their ways (i.e., blatant racism, birtherism, bigotry, homophobia, sexism, etc.) or go the way of the Whig Party.

  18. Bruce McGlory

    “Republicans are seen by Asians—as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites—as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate. In the public mind, except among Republicans, that image is taken for reality.”

    ludicrously inaccurate? ludicrously inaccurate?!?! what planet do you live on, dude? You do realize that us plebs can read, write and look at the internet, right? We know you’re lying.

  19. “Republicans are seen by Asians — as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites — as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists.”

    That perception will continue — and will continue to be accurate — until the party nominates a candidate who delivers a ringing “Sister Souljah” face-slap to at least one prominent Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationist.

  20. [Republicans are seen by Asians—as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites—as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists.]

    You ARE the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. Just ASK A GOP CONGRESSMAN.

    I am a Christian, and I consider what the Republicans call “Christianity” to be Mammon Worship with a “Jesus” label. Disgusting, Pharisaical, hateful, bigoted and ignorant. A total perversion of the REAL Gospel.

  21. It’s pretty simple why Asians are against conservatives and especially recent Republicans: we think and read. There’s so much emotional garbage being used by Republicans that have no basis in reality, statistics, history or reason/logic. Republicans have truly, in the recent times, been almost pure propaganda, and we Asians just happen to be smart enough to see this and studious enough to combat such garbage by educating ourselves. There’s little or nothing more to it than this.

    There are many ‘smart idiots’ on the Republican side that will point to this or that, or point to shortcomings of the Democratic party or some other garbage reasoning without realizing–and never hearing–themselves and that they are simply full of it when all the facts and figures are examined closely. The bottom line is: many of us Asians ARE NOT democrats, and we work hard and are model citizens (which makes it hard to attack us immediately as many of you would like)–BUT we are good at comprehending and critically thinking. The conclusion is: the republican in NO WAY represents us and IN FACT has policies and habits that are directly against our well-being as poor, middle-class, OR EVEN WEALTHY individuals. Republicans have been thieves in this country and have shown themselves to care very little about citizens. THAT is why we ARE NOT republicans, and it would be simple for anyone who hasn’t been absolutely brainwashed to understand.

    1. The GOP is like a bunch of KKKers having a meeting to decide who among them to send with the best ‘message’ to the Black Church on Sunday to recruit!

      The whole concept is comical.

  22. It is amazing just how delusional conservatives are. “Republicans are seen by Asians—as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites—as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. ” <- this is THE biggest fact in the world. Republicans are monsters who are bible thumping bigots and us Asians want no part of that. For a party that cares about liberty without the bigotry, look at libertarians.

    Also us Asians may be dedicated to hard work and education but we're not greedy and selfish. Republicans only care about the rich getting richer while everyone else suffers. Asians care about the well being of everyone.

    1. Max Planck
  23. Yes there are nuts in both parties. The difference is that the GOP nuts are in charge. The primary debates scared the heck out of reasonable people. Cheering for people to die? Booing soldiers? Only one marginal candidate recognizing evolution and climate change? Lunacy was on display.

  24. Lenny Pincus

    Do the math. About 20% of the country are bible-thumping fundamentalists. About 35% of the country is Republican. If 90% of the fundamentalists vote republican, over half of the Republican Party is made up of crazed Christianists. The rest of the country is well aware of this and have no desire to be associated with them, especially when they realize that Republican talk of economic freedom simply costumes the dark instincts of vulture capitalism.

  25. Marcel Kincaid

    The arrogant racism of Charles Murray — “Those Asians just don’t know what’s good for them!” — is typical of Republican “intellectuals”. They might be able to fool their bible-thumping base of ignorant bigots, but Asians are intelligent, well read, and cognizant of their own interests … which do not lay with the GOP. The truth is that no one’s interests lay with the GOP, as numerous historical statistics demonstrate.

    1. RalphEllison

      This, as well as Lenny Pincus’s comment at 3:03 pm.

      As Marcel said: “The truth is that no one’s interests lay with the GOP” – except for the 1% of course.

    2. Teen Sheng

      As an Asian American I don’t find Charles Murray’s conjectures arrogant or racist. On the contrary I find them rather accurate. I and many of my Asian friends and family do feel exactly this way, that the values of this country that led us to admire it enough to immigrate here are the “true” conservatives values, which we would identify with politically — family enterprise, community involvement, quiet politics, rational government.

      But by the time George W. Bush took office, the conservative party was almost completely co-opted by ignorant rednecks who viewed Asians as perpetual foreigners and job thieves and Manchurian Candidates. By the time Obama took office, they had grown to include the isolationist and revisionist Tea Party, which had distorted traditional American values beyond all recognition.

      1. Hyphenated-American

        As an Asian-American university student, I can confirm this. The conservatism that Asian immigrants can “naturally” identify with might fall within the category of what is known as “paleoconservatism”, which emphasizes pro-marketism and non-interventionism. This kind of conservatism may sometimes put social issues on the back burner in favor of focusing on economic development, but it is not in itself homophobic or racist. I think paleoconservatism is much more palatable for many Asian-Americans than the virulent strain of extreme rightism, but the latter group is much, much louder.

        I also have to add that people are too quick to pounce on universities as places that are liberal by default. A good university tempers its students so that they may have a nuanced view of the political spectrum and understand the main arguments (and the logic) of both camps. In fact, it wasn’t until college that I developed a much more moderate economic stance.

    3. “The arrogant racism of Charles Murray — “Those Asians just don’t know what’s good for them!” — is typical of Republican “intellectuals”. They might be able to fool their bible-thumping base of ignorant bigots, but Asians are intelligent, well read, and cognizant of their own interests … which do not lay with the GOP. The truth is that no one’s interests lay with the GOP, as numerous historical statistics demonstrate.”

      Odd… most Republicans I know, apart from being neither ignorant nor bigoted, actually know the difference between “lay” and “lie.”

      1. WOW! That was clever. What insight! What unshakeable erudition goeth forth!

        By pointing out a single (albeit completely insignificant) grammatical error, you’ve successfully elided the (very compelling) charge that racially paternalistic assumptions underLIE the entire article. Bravo, sir! Bravo!

      2. DuaneBidoux

        Seriously? Most Republicans you know know the difference? Congratulations you are running with an elite group. Most Republicans I know DON’T know the difference. But then in all fairness to them I don’t know of many people of any political persuasion that know the difference, or if they do they don’t use it.

  26. Marcel Kincaid

    “The GOP doesn’t need to get all of the Latino vote, just its fair share. ”

    Yes, that’s a Republican principle, that everyone get a fair share regardless of merit. Wait, what? That’s like saying that everyone should get a fair share of IQ points. Sorry, Charlie, but your low IQ and your party’s low vote count are not subject to redistribution.

    “by the liberal “You didn’t build that” mentality”

    As others have pointed out, this is where Murrays’ intellectual dishonesty shines through the brightest. There is no such “liberal mentality”, it was entirely a construction of a grossly dishonest Romney campaign. The genuine liberal mentality, that Obama actually expressed, and that is factually true, is “You didn’t build that ALONE”. And it is addressed not to entrepreneurs, but to the GOP’s propaganda construct of “job creators” vs. “moochers and takers”, designed to keep tax rates low on corporations and the uberrich, taxs being theft and all of that … unless it’s the middle class and the poor who are paying them.

    “a party that is identified with liberty, opportunity to get ahead, and economic growth”

    SELF-identified, but there is no such identification in actual fact. GOP policies consistently work against all of those.

  27. sanford sklansky
  28. Dag Johansen

    I don’t understand how he finds the description of the GOP as anti-abortion and anti-homosexual as “Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate”. Has he bothered to read the GOP 2012 platform. It is right there in black & white.

  29. Zhu Bajie

    “Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate.”

    Ludicrously accurate, you mean. I speak as an ex-republican.

    Another point: no one is an “Asian.” Chinese people are not Koreans and Filipinos are neither. Ditto Japanese people. They all have their own histories and their own ways of doing things. Once in America, they all face the traditional racism and xenophobia. Why vote for people who clearly don’t want them?

    1. “Once in America, they all face the traditional racism and xenophobia.”

      Why do they come here then if it’s so evil? America is clearly the most immoral and evil nation in the world based off of what I’ve read from left wing authors on the internet, so I can’t figure out why all these people keep coming here.

  30. Your description of the (in your view inaccurate) public perception of the GOP as “the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists” misses one key component: the Republican party is seen as the one for whites – and old whites, at that. Being a minority group that is relatively young, that is a natural turn-off for Asian-Americans. Secondly, the demographics of Asian-Americans are changing. As you note, in the past there have been Asians fleeing places like Vietnam and 1950s Korea who had a strong anti-communist bent; these Asians supported the GOP because it was the “stronger,” more hard-line anti-communist party. Indeed, it is for the same reason that Cuba-Americans until recently have been a conservative bloc despite the overall support for Democrats among Hispanics. But Asian-Americans motivated by anti-communist sentiments are a declining proportion of the group. Meanwhile, most first-generation Asian immigrants (and Asians in general) are significantly less politically active than average, especially since many of them are still trying to figure out the American political system. Therefore, Asian-American children are brought up in homes where no political ideology is imposed on them. As Asian-American kids interact with other young people, they become influenced by the liberalism of young Americans in general. Lastly, geography is an important factor. Asians have mostly immigrated to Democratic strongholds like California, Hawaii, and New Jersey, and if the culture surrounding you is liberal, you are more likely to become liberal too. Moreover, Asian immigrants disproportionately settle down in cities, which are usually even more Democratic than the states of which they are part – compare LA and San Francisco to the rest of California, for instance. All of these factors combine to make Asian-Americans now a blue bloc of voters.

    As an additional note, I don’t think the perception of the GOP as consisting of “Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists” is “ludicrous.” No, not all or even most Republicans personally fit that description, but it is the PARTY of the people who fit the description, and the radical right-wing has hijacked the party and hushed up the moderates. Likewise, the majority of Republicans don’t think Obama is from Kenya or that he’s a Muslim and might even cringe a little at terms like “death panel.” But it is not inaccurate to say that these developments have come out of the Republican camp, and it is tainted for it.

    1. I agree with everything Rico has stated here except the suggestion that most Republicans “don’t think Obama is from Kenya.” The following scientific poll (conducted by a professor of Political Science at Dartmouth) found that “55% of Republicans do not believe Obama is from the United States.” (

      That’s a majority in my book. And the professor’s poll is hardly the only one. This CBS / NY Times poll has the number at 45%, which – if you take into account margin of error – still strongly suggests that a good half of Republicans believe that racist crap.

      Yes, the party of Lincoln has become *that* ignorant.

  31. I completely agree with your analysis. I work in the computer industry where there are a lot of Asians.

    Almost every Asian I know is economically compatible with the GOP, but they are not culturally compatible with the GOP.

    A lot of Asians are not Christians.

    A lot of Asians don’t even believe in A god. Hindus believe in multiple gods. Other Asians have spiritual beliefs that don’t have involved any gods at all.

    I’ve talked to a lot of Asians. They would love to vote for the GOP because of economics, but the bible thumping rhetoric coming from some GOP politicians makes Asians believe that the GOP is hostile to them culturally.

    This is a real problem for the GOP moving forward.

  32. Maybe Asians like the controlling instincts of the political-left because they actually like to be controlled? Maybe the political-left is the extension of their parental figures in childhood…and that “father figure” is what they want before anything? The left makes them feel more secure?

    I notice the Asian mind is different. It seems more industrious (behaviourally) than reflective. Dare I say they are more like “slaves”. Intelligent, sure, but more a “technician breed” than an autonomous breed.

    Try associating political leanings to testosterone. That might be interesting too.

    1. Congratulations Andrew! That has got to be the most offensive, overtly racist comment on this post (and there have been some doozies).

      You did, however, manage indirectly to answer the larger question of why Asians have been alienated by conservatism in this country. Indeed, how could an Asian American read something like that and not be instantly turned off? We are only left to wonder why republicans can’t see that how insulting they can be.

      1. I agree. Andrew could have worn a T-shirt that said “I am a racist” and his message could not have been more overt.


      2. Offended Jon? You’re not offended at all. You’re celebrating a feeling of moral superiority.

        Yes, my comment was hideously cheeky, and I was curious to test the response. I’m not actually racist, but I don’t expect (or care) if you believe otherwise.

        Anyway, in New Zealand (my home country) I notice both Asians and Indians tend to be exceedingly conformist to their parents dictate. They fit into our society well, but honestly I wish they would show some more guts. To me, only the self-determined life is a dignified life. I’m not overly impressed by people who are (or seem to be) little more than the spitting image of what their parents wanted them to be.

        And a final point. We will know that we have overcome our racism when we can talk (and think) freely about racial differences.

        1. <>

          Translation: We know that we will have overcome our racism when we can ascribe basic psychological attributes (in this case: conformism) to an entire population based on race.

          1. I didn’t think it needed to be spelled out that I’m generalising.

          2. Translation: Reality disturbs me so I will insult those who bring up it’s existence in hopes that that will make it go away.

      3. Congratulations Jon! You’ve proven yourself morally superior to someone else, the end-all be-all goal of every good liberal.

  33. I wonder if one reason is that Republicans are much more likely to say immigrants should learn English and assimilate to American culture. Just a thought.

    I read once that a good predictor of party affiliation was whether or not you paid property taxes. I wonder what home ownership looks like in that Asian and American-Asian community.

    1. “I read once that a good predictor of party affiliation was whether or not you paid property taxes.”

      I read once that the GOP is the party of the rich. Funny how someone actually noticed a correlation between immense wealth and affiliation with the Republican Party.

      Did the person you were reading hold a doctorate in political science or something? Because . . . that is just the most amazing correlation I’ve ever heard. I’ll bet there’s a correlation between the number of Mercedes and Jaguars owned and GOP membership. Or amount of caviar consumed. The possibilities are endless!

      1. The super rich are the entertainment industry elites…all Democrats. This is one of the main reasons they win more elections now…they have more money.

        1. Obama and Romney received almost an equal amount of campaign contributions last year:

          Also, there is not a single entertainer in all of Hollywood that has anywhere NEAR the money of Sheldon Adelson (net worth $27 BILLION), Rupeert Murdoch (net worth $13 BILLION) or the Koch Brothers ($72 BILLION), all of whom gave hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign contributions to the Republicans last year, so please: don’t make the Republicans out to be some kind of underdogs, because clearly they are not.

  34. So I will agree that bible thumpers and tea partiers are crazy extremists in the GOP but so are gay/bi/trans activists in the Democratic party whose ideas about reconstructing society in their image have far more dangerous consequences, yet they are fully embraced. In California they now have children using whatever bathroom, locker room or shower they prefer regardless of gender. Please enlighten me as to how this is saner than the bible thumpers who just want to maintain the status quo?

    1. “. . . gay/bi/trans activists” with “ideas about reconstructing society in their image”?

      I’ve never seen an LGBT person express a desire to see society recreated in his or her image. I have seen LGBT enjoy the same rights the rest of us do, which is fine with me.

      Because I’m not a douchebag.

  35. This is a good question–a real puzzler. Many American-Asians own their own businesses too. Seems like they should be Republicans.

    1. I guess you’ve ignored the entire comments thread, Greg. Many people have pointed out many reasons why Asians vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

      Really not much of a puzzler at all.

  36. John Engelman

    If one feels something strongly it is easy to over estimate the number of people who feel the same way, and easy to under estimate the difficulty of converting others to one’s persuasion.

    Well educated, affluent Republicans like Charles Murray have rarely liked the religious right. Nevertheless, it has become an essential Republican constituency. Without it affluent Republicans like Charles Murray would certainly be paying higher taxes.

    I have followed the religious right since 1980 with interest, and an element of sympathy. I have not seen surveys to confirm this, but it seems to be a lower middle class phenomenon. Before Jerry Falwell started the Moral Majority in 1979 most of those people either voted Democratic for economic reasons, or they thought politics was a dirty business and waited passively for the Second Coming of Christ.

    Jerry Falwell convinced them that Ronald Reagan – who spent his formative years in Hollywood, who was our first divorced president, and who rarely attended church – shared their values, concerns, and goals.

    Even if Charles Murray is right that abandoning social conservatism would win the votes of Asians there are many more Protestant Fundamentalists and Evangelicals in the United States than Asians.

    For social conservatives the moral climate in which they live and raise their children is the issue. They do not benefit from tax cuts for the rich. They have not benefited from Republican economic policies since the inauguration of Ronald Reagan. Many of them know it.

    Also, there is more to social conservatism than opposition to gay marriage and abortion. Asians tend to be less sexually active than whites, they have lower rates of crime, illegitimacy, and divorce.

  37. John Engelman

    My thesis is that the GOP is in trouble across the electoral board because it has become identified in the public mind with social conservatism.

    – Charles Murray

    The Republican Party faces another problem, which as an economic conservative – actually an economic reactionary – he would not be expected to care about.

    This is the growing income gap. The rich are getting richer as incomes for most Americans stagnate or decline.

    The Democrats have not been good at exploiting this, but it is a Democratic issue.

  38. John Engelman

    A lot of the same Republicans who like to gloat about low black test scores and who complain about blacks on welfare become angry when I remind them that Orientals tend to earn higher test scores and incomes than white Gentiles.

    They refer to Oriental success in the classroom and on the job as “race displacement,” and even “genocide.”

    The Republican Party has become a magnet for the most unhinged and hate filled whites in the United States. These whites do not think Orientals in the United States should be allowed to take advantage of their talent and hard work. Many would like to deport Orientals, even those whose ancestors came to the United States before they were born.

    Most Orientals know this. They shrink from the GOP with the loathing it deserves.

  39. Alternative Hypothesis: Asians understand the full context, which means “you didn’t build that ON YOUR OWN. You used public roads, and regulations that allow for clean air, water, and ensure contracts will be honored. You benefited from a working class who worked your stores and bought your goods/services.” Asians (NE Asians especially) come from countries with high social spending than the US. Universal Healthcare is literally a given. From their point of view, it does take a village to raise a child.

    As long as “the white Republican establishment” continues to project their own cultural assumptions on how Asians (and for that matter, blacks and Hispanics), they will never be successful in understanding why they keep voting Democrat.

  40. Outstanding response, Greg. I couldn’t agree more!

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