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  1. return to Clinton-era tax rates“…

    Funny how you don’t ever seem to hear how these leftists parasites want to return to the Clinton era spending rates (in actual dollar amounts) though…

    Why is that?

    1. Max Planck

      Because it’s missing two wars, you moron.

      1. I can always expect maxie boy to try to lie his way through something he knows less than nothing about: “Because it’s missing two wars, you moron“…

        I assume you’re talking about…

        I assume you’re talking about this: Democratic-led Senate passed the war powers resolution, 77-23….

        Iraq: The War That Broke Us — Not

        Keep reaching maxie boy, its always funny when you face plant in the attempt…

        1. Max Planck

          Keep reading that swill from “American Thinker.”
          It further marks you as a lesser intellect.

          You must look good in a brown shirt.

          1. Keep reading that swill from “American Thinker.”
            It further marks you as a lesser intellect
            “…

            Keep your witless whining up maxie boy, let everyone know how clueless and delusional you really are…

            But whatever you do, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good whine…

  2. what is “tax reform” is not a tax increase on those who currently benefit from the tax code?

    why is tax reform, i.e. raising taxes on those who currrently get deductions ‘better’ than increased taxes via the marginal rate?

    Most folks don’t itemize taxes. they don’t benefit from the tax code and a tax increase on them would be negligible.

    so why is it better to hit people who utilize deductions rather than everyone?

    of course this whole dialogue is a cynical diversion from the bigger issue that we have a trillion dollar structural deficit and a 16 trillion dollar debt that we already owe.

    The correct question is how will we pay back the debt?

    right now we are arguing about the deck chairs .

    1. what is “tax reform” is not a tax increase on those who currently benefit from the tax code?

      why is tax reform, i.e. raising taxes on those who currrently get deductions ‘better’ than increased taxes via the marginal rate?“…

      Can someone interpret this please?

      1. you need help deciding if marginal rates are different from tax deductions?

        it would seem that increased marginal rates help those that can’t take advantage of itemized tax deductions, no?

        1. it would seem that increased marginal rates help those that can’t take advantage of itemized tax deductions, no?“…

          I think it might depend on how much one earns more than anything else…

  3. Jon Murphy

    I understand the argument being presented here, but I don’t agree.

    When the taxes are raised, the government will keep the revenue and not lower them in the future (assuming there is extra revenue, a dubious claim at best). Governments are very reluctant to give up any power they have, whether it be legislative or though taxation.

  4. Max Planck

    “I will continue to think about this …”

    You do that, Jim. We’ll all be waiting with baited breath.

    Y’know, there is a little issue I wanted to take up with you. Y’know all that talk you’ve been giving us about “broadening the base,” how so many people don’t pay any Federal taxes??

    Well, wasn’t that YOUR idea? I mean, Jim, you must have supported the Hubbard/Mankiw tax policy lock, stock and barrel, and you DID like dropping marginal brackets while retaining all of those deductibles. At least you said so at the time.

    And since, as we ALL KNOW THAT LOWER TAXES HAVE AN UNARGUABLY POSITIVE AFFECT ON THE ECONOMY, IRREGARDLESS OF ANY OTHER EXTANT FACTORS, well, Jim, if paying LOWER taxes are good, WHY AREN’T PAYING NO TAXES GOOD or even BETTER?

    The way you’ve been telling it, Jim, is that if we have fewer and fewer people paying less and less, we should have a condition of permanent economic prosperity. Isn’t that what the AEI, Heritage, the Club for Growth and all of these other “institutions” have promised us all this time?

    But you seem to object to a great mass of people paying no tax at all.

    I’m confused. Can you explain this apparent policy contradiction?

    1. James Garbarino

      I assume you’ve never heard of a bell curve? Or the concept of “point of diminishing returns?” Otherwise you’d make a more educated argument.

      The government requires monetary resources to operate. Without government we have anarchy. Anarchy is bad for the economy. On the other hand too much government and taxes that are too high is also bad for the economy. The trick is to find the point of diminishing returns. We can debate where that point is but leave your straw men and red herrings out of adult conversations please.

      1. Max Planck

        What a lame response!

        1. James Garbarino

          What an educated rebuttal!

          1. Max Planck

            There is no “educated response” to a lame rebuttal.

            Put that in your Bell Curve.

      2. Did Reagan and Clinton exceed the point of diminishing returns?

        Seems like Clinton had a higher marginal rate and no deficit – no rebellion and no anarchy.

        1. Seems like larry g is making up history as it suits him: “Seems like Clinton had a higher marginal rate and no deficit – no rebellion and no anarchy“…

          LMAO!

          What else did Reagan and Clinton not have to deal with?

          1. what did they not have to deal with? partisans lying their asses off for starters.

            where is the supporting data for the synthesized data in the chart?

            “Republican Staff “calculations” FROM CBO is not worth warm spit – and for good reason. The GOP and their lovers can’t tell the truth to save their sorry lard asses.

          2. what did they not have to deal with? partisans lying their asses off for starters“…

            Geez larry g why are you making the assumption everyone is as stupid as you are?

            where is the supporting data for the synthesized data in the chart?“…

            What?!?! Now you’re telling me you can’t read?!?!

            Did you notice the small print at the bottom?

            “Republican Staff “calculations” FROM CBO is not worth warm spit – and for good reason. The GOP and their lovers can’t tell the truth to save their sorry lard asses“…

            Again you’re making the assumption everybody else are as abysmally stupid as you are…

          3. 1.3 trillion – is REALLY SLIMY in the CONTEXT of the US budget where the GOP folks INCLUDE 283 billion of State budgets that are NOT in the US budget AND they EXCLUDE the entitlements for DOD military.

            Now JuanDoze, just how SLIMY can you get boy?

          4. Still talking stupid, eh larry g?

            1.3 trillion – is REALLY SLIMY in the CONTEXT of the US budget where the GOP folks INCLUDE 283 billion of State budgets that are NOT in the US budget AND they EXCLUDE the entitlements for DOD military“…

            This idiotic babble makes no sense at all but then again I’m not suprised…

          5. try dealing in facts JuanDOZE and try getting info from people who are interested in dealing with the facts.

            The GOP committee report you cite is underhanded and dishonest and you seem to gravitate towards stuff like that.

            the TRUTH is this. we have about 750 in entitlements if you include stuff like PELL grants and community development grants which includes things like COPs grants.

            You EXCLUDE things like farm subsidies and DOD entitlements.

            and the number for “Defense” is about 1/2 the real number when you include things like Homeland Security, National Intelligence, GITMO, etc.

            so you’re totally dishonest about the numbers…and proud of it…

          6. Poor larry g, he just can’t stop himself: “The GOP committee report you cite is underhanded and dishonest and you seem to gravitate towards stuff like that“…

            He says this without a wiff of anything credible to back it up…

            Aren’t you tired of looking the fool?

            the TRUTH is this. we have about 750 in entitlements if you include stuff like PELL grants and community development grants which includes things like COPs grants“…

            Guess what stupid? I don’t give a damn what they are…

            If YOU want them then why don’t YOU volunteer to pay for them?

            Yeah, just go ahead a write a check to the Treasury and tell them what you want it spent on…

            I’m sure they’ll oblige you…

            The Treasury also knows an idiot when it sees one…

          7. Juan DOZE – Defense INCLUDES DOD plus the VA plus Homeland Security PLUS NASA Satellites PLUS CIA PLUS other national security apparatus

            = 1.4+ trillion dollars…

            but the bigger lie here is that both Reagan and Clinton had higher marginal rates – regardless of what the spending was for – and there was no “diminishing returns’ nor ‘anarchy.

            remember Reagan saying he was going to spend Russia into the ground? well he DID and he raised taxes to pay for it!

          8. Juan DOZE – Defense INCLUDES DOD plus the VA plus Homeland Security PLUS NASA Satellites PLUS CIA PLUS other national security apparatus“…

            larry g why the heck do you insist on blathering mindlessly about something you’re totally clueless about?

            I’m guessing you didn’t feel a bit of shame sharing that little delusion, did you?

          9. here’s the “staff memo”:

            http://budget.senate.gov/republican/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=0f87b42d-f182-4b3d-8ae2-fa8ac8a8edad

            notice the from and to have been redacted

            and try to find 1.3 trillion… what’s there is about 745 billion and includes things like PeLL Grants, Head Start, adoption assistance, persons with disabilities but not DOD VA or health care nor farm or ethanol subsidies nor tax free employer-provided healthcare.

            in other words, yet another partisan misrepresentation of the whole truth.

            JuanDoze seems to specialize in this kind of slime…

          10. ” Budget Committee staff calculated at least an additional $283 billion in state contributions to those same federal programs,[1] for a total annual expenditure of $1.03 trillion”

            Now JuanDOZE don’t you think it is a tad dishonest to include state expenditures when talking about the effect that entitlements are having on the US budget at the same time you discount the other National Defense spending including DOD entitlements?

            that’s pretty SLIMY….

          11. larry g just can’t help himself: “Now JuanDOZE don’t you think it is a tad dishonest to include state expenditures when talking about the effect that entitlements are having on the US budget at the same time you discount the other National Defense spending including DOD entitlements?“…

            Nope! Ever heard of the term ‘unfunded federal mandates‘?

          12. ” Ever heard of the term ‘unfunded federal mandates‘?”

            are you INCLUDING DOD and National Defense in those “unfunded mandates”?

          13. are you INCLUDING DOD and National Defense in those “unfunded mandates”?“…

            Go read the Constitution you idiot…

          14. take a look at this pie chart JuanDOZE:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png

            DOD = 700 Billion
            discretionary = 646 billion
            other mandatory = 465 billion.

            the rest is Social Security, Medicare and Interest.

            If you add 646 billion to 465 billion – that would be all the rest of government like NASA and Homeland security AND entitlements – and it all adds up to 1.11 trillion.

            but your buddies the GOP claim that 1.3 trillion in the budget is entitlements….

            now how does that add up boy?

            it doesn’t. so you’re either gullible as all get out or
            you’re knowingly spreading misinformation.

            come on Juanos.. admit it guy..this IS SLIMY.

          15. take a look at this pie chart JuanDOZE“…

            Sorry wiki-boy, you can stare at it all you want but GIGO still reigns supreme…

  5. Juandos.. did the Constitution specify all this spending:

    Defense-related expenditure
    DOD spending $707.5 billion Base budget + “Overseas Contingency Operations”

    FBI counter-terrorism $2.9 billion At least one-third FBI budget.

    International Affairs $5.6–$63.0 billion At minimum, foreign arms sales. At most, entire State budget

    Energy Department, defense-related $21.8 billion
    Veterans Affairs $70.0 billion

    Homeland Security $46.9 billion

    NASA, satellites $3.5–$8.7 billion Between 20% and 50% of NASA’s total budget

    Veterans pensions $54.6 billion

    Other defense-related mandatory spending $8.2 billion

    Interest on debt incurred in past wars $109.1–$431.5 billion Between 23% and 91% of total interest

    Total Spending $1.030–$1.415 trillion

    1. larry g continues to brag: “Juandos.. did the Constitution specify all this spending blah. blah. blah“…

      Did you read the Constitution already?

  6. Max Planck

    Presenting the AEI braintrust in action:

    http://imgur.com/9FnSJ

    1. Presenting the AEI braintrust in action“…

      Versus the wit & wisdom of maxie boy, well that’s an easy choice…

      1. JuanDOZE you appear to be a fine example of arrested development my boy.

        1. larry g suffering yet another seizure says: “JuanDOZE you appear to be a fine example of arrested development my boy“…

          Oh yeah! I’m quick to take in the words of a lifetime member of the short bus riders association and think of them as wisdom…

          1. JanDOZE.. “wisdom”? you know that word?

            :-) my my

          2. JanDOZE.. “wisdom”? you know that word?“…

            Why larry g, do you need help in googling the word’s definition?

            Just asking…

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