Again, if you want government to spend like a Nordic nation, it also needs to tax the middle class like one
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The WaPo’s Max Ehrenfreund has a great Q&A with sociologist Lane Kenworthy, author of “Social Democratic America” — a book I have written about a few times. The following bit gets at the idea that it wouldn’t be just the rich paying for the progressive dream of greatly expanded government, Scandinavian style:
One difference between these two candidates’ [Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders] platforms and the social-democratic agenda in your book is that both are talking a lot about raising taxes on the rich, while in the Nordic countries, the middle and working classes pay more in taxes, too.
The tax strategy that these countries have tended to pursue is to spread the tax burden around, and in fact, their overall tax systems are pretty much flat. Almost everybody pays roughly the same share of their pre-tax income in taxes. You have a progressive income tax, but that’s offset by regressive payroll taxes, and especially regressive consumption taxes, which are very large in these countries.
Everybody feels like they’re paying in and getting something out of the system, so the system becomes more legitimate. You’re less likely to get this kind of us-against-them argument from conservatives. Even high income households don’t tend to hate this kind of system.
If you’re going to have a really big government, as these countries do — government spending is the neighborhood of 45 to 50 percent of GDP — if you’re going to do that, you just have to go where the money is. There’s obviously no way you could do that just by tapping money from the rich. Sanders has said that and is acknowledging that.
If we’re talking about a big expansion of public insurance, you have to tax the middle class as well as the rich. In the short turn, for a smaller expansion, I don’t necessarily think it’s a terrible idea to say you’re going to get most of that revenue from the rich. It is possible.
I don’t like Hillary Clinton’s promise, “I’m not going to raise any taxes on anybody in the bottom 95 percent.” I don’t think that’s a smart or productive thing to do, but the general orientation — to raise as much of the additional revenue as you can from those at the top — I don’t necessarily oppose.
Indeed, Kenworthy favors roughly $1.5 trillion in increased annual spending — or 10% of GDP — for a variety of programs, half of which would be paid for by a VAT. Oh, he does briefly explore getting all that dough from the rich. But the “rich” wouldn’t just be millionaires and billionaires. He defines the rich as the top 5% — hundred-thousandaires — not the top 1% or 0.01% or 0.01%. Their average tax rate would need to more than double to nearly 70%. And this static analysis assumes no negative economic impact. When the Tax Foundation looked at the Bernie Sanders tax plan — similar in annual cost to the Kenworthy plan — with a dynamic analysis, it found “after-tax incomes of all taxpayers would fall by at least 12.84 percent.”


A problem we have that they don’t – high defense spending. If the idea is that citizens have to feel that they are getting something from the high taxes – paid leave, good schools, vacation, health care, etc. money they pay in has to go to that. We take in billions that will fund defense, which no one feels benefits them personally.
Also, we continually import poor people (not a comment on immigration, but on poverty) so we need to spend tax dollars ameliorating their condition. In Northern Europe, with small, homogeneous and middle class populations, there was no perceived transfer of money from the middle class to an ever shifting poor (some poor people rise, but others come and claim the space). With the refugee problem in wealthy European countries, this may change.
“We take in billions that will fund defense, which no one feels benefits them personally.”
This is a frighteningly breathtaking statement!!!! The level of disturbing this comment is is only surpassed by the knowledge that you can also drive, buy guns, reproduce, operate power tools and vote!
There’s yet another point: Nordic countries have relatively high labor income taxes and relatively low capital/corporate income taxes. They understand that capital has a much larger mobility than labor. So in effect the Nordic layout is the opposite of democrats want.
High defense spending? Are you kidding? Try 4% of GDP! And job one of any government is to protect the borders. If you don’t do that, you have no country.
As always, consider the source…